Bledisloe #1
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@Kirwan said in Bledisloe #1:
@Chris said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan Interesting Ofa/Angus for Franks ? I agree with Taylor for Coles as impact of the bench from Coles is greater,
Sam Whitelock/Cane ? as Captain maybe we seem to lack direction like McCaw brought.
Ennor brings pace to the wing and is solid on the tackle.
And RM to the bench brings impact like Coles.
But we need a brutal 6 so Savea back to the Bench as he has greater bench impact than Cane.Fuck knows who that 6 is Squire,Hemapo I am a bit stumped there.Yep, Franks is a liability and Angus and Ofa are good at scrum time and excellent around the field.
At this point, we have no options in the flankers. I’d move Savea to eight and Read to six (as they were mostly doing anyway).
Swapping the halfbacks around works too Smith and Coles to come and provide impact after wearing down the opposition.
It’s never worked to run it from the first minute.
To play Savea other than at 7 we need BBBR back.
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@pakman said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe #1:
@Chris said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan Interesting Ofa/Angus for Franks ? I agree with Taylor for Coles as impact of the bench from Coles is greater,
Sam Whitelock/Cane ? as Captain maybe we seem to lack direction like McCaw brought.
Ennor brings pace to the wing and is solid on the tackle.
And RM to the bench brings impact like Coles.
But we need a brutal 6 so Savea back to the Bench as he has greater bench impact than Cane.Fuck knows who that 6 is Squire,Hemapo I am a bit stumped there.Yep, Franks is a liability and Angus and Ofa are good at scrum time and excellent around the field.
At this point, we have no options in the flankers. I’d move Savea to eight and Read to six (as they were mostly doing anyway).
Swapping the halfbacks around works too Smith and Coles to come and provide impact after wearing down the opposition.
It’s never worked to run it from the first minute.
To play Savea other than at 7 we need BBBR back.
Or props that do more than scrum.
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@barbarian said in Bledisloe #1:
I was surprised with how little trouble the Savea/Cane/Read backrow caused us at the breakdown.
From memory they won three turnovers, one of which was dubious. But more than that, they rarely slowed our ball at all, allowing White to have a great platform to keep the attack rolling.
It's a chicken-and-egg discussion in some ways, because quick, front-foot ball allows our forwards to get over the gain line, which in turn makes it harder for the ABs to disrupt at the breakdown. But still I expected more from three world class players.
Retallick is such a huge loss, and once Barrett went off you were fielding a very light pack indeed. In the end Arnold, Naisirani and Salakai-Loto all had a field day, both in their clearouts and with ball in hand.
Can ANYONE explain why we chose to play first ten minutes of second half with only one lock?
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@Kirwan said in Bledisloe #1:
@pakman said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe #1:
@Chris said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan Interesting Ofa/Angus for Franks ? I agree with Taylor for Coles as impact of the bench from Coles is greater,
Sam Whitelock/Cane ? as Captain maybe we seem to lack direction like McCaw brought.
Ennor brings pace to the wing and is solid on the tackle.
And RM to the bench brings impact like Coles.
But we need a brutal 6 so Savea back to the Bench as he has greater bench impact than Cane.Fuck knows who that 6 is Squire,Hemapo I am a bit stumped there.Yep, Franks is a liability and Angus and Ofa are good at scrum time and excellent around the field.
At this point, we have no options in the flankers. I’d move Savea to eight and Read to six (as they were mostly doing anyway).
Swapping the halfbacks around works too Smith and Coles to come and provide impact after wearing down the opposition.
It’s never worked to run it from the first minute.
To play Savea other than at 7 we need BBBR back.
Or AT LEAST ONE prop that does more than scrum.
Fixed.
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@pakman said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe #1:
@pakman said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe #1:
@Chris said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan Interesting Ofa/Angus for Franks ? I agree with Taylor for Coles as impact of the bench from Coles is greater,
Sam Whitelock/Cane ? as Captain maybe we seem to lack direction like McCaw brought.
Ennor brings pace to the wing and is solid on the tackle.
And RM to the bench brings impact like Coles.
But we need a brutal 6 so Savea back to the Bench as he has greater bench impact than Cane.Fuck knows who that 6 is Squire,Hemapo I am a bit stumped there.Yep, Franks is a liability and Angus and Ofa are good at scrum time and excellent around the field.
At this point, we have no options in the flankers. I’d move Savea to eight and Read to six (as they were mostly doing anyway).
Swapping the halfbacks around works too Smith and Coles to come and provide impact after wearing down the opposition.
It’s never worked to run it from the first minute.
To play Savea other than at 7 we need BBBR back.
Or AT LEAST ONE prop that does more than scrum.
Fixed.
"Or AT LEAST ONE prop that actually does
more than scrumsomething. "Completely fixed.
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@pakman said in Bledisloe #1:
@barbarian said in Bledisloe #1:
Can ANYONE explain why we chose to play first ten minutes of second half with only one lock?They made the judgement that keeping legs as fresh as possible (by giving Cane a second stint after the break thereby reducing Patty T’s workload) was better than whatever they have up at setpiece.
If they had a lead I’m sure the calculus would have been different. Playing from behind and with an already shortened bench after Goodhue went down it was probably the right call.
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@raznomore said in Bledisloe #1:
this year we seem to have forgotten about ball security and respecting the bloody thing.
Not just this year. The rot set in last RWC.
We were actually pretty good for much of the 2nd half and look sharper and more error-free than for some time. Need to build on that.
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@canefan said in Bledisloe #1:
Aussie media predictably getting wild over the Barrett hit. He was falling in a tackle when he was struck. Barrett wasn't even looking at him. No swinging arm. Poor technique and reckless, no filth imho
fuck him. rub him out for 3 months.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Bledisloe #1:
We were actually pretty good for much of the 2nd half and look sharper and more error-free than for some time. Need to build on that.
Think I saw stats to that effect - Wallabies actually won the first half in terms of possession (obvs) as well as territory in terms of entries to the 22 or something.
Second half the ABs were actually better, but just couldn't convert to points.
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Three weeks is about right.
Poor Naki won’t have him against Taniwha and Mako$
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The SANZAAR Foul Play Review Committee has accepted a guilty plea from Scott Barrett of New Zealand for contravening Law 9.16: A player must not charge or knock down an opponent carrying the ball without attempting to grasp the player, after he was Red Carded during a Rugby Championship match at the weekend. Barrett has been suspended from all forms of the game for 3 weeks, up to and including Sunday 1 September 2019. The incident occurred in the 39th minute of the match between Australia and New Zealand played at Optus Stadium in Perth on 10 August 2019. The SANZAAR Foul Play Review Committee of Adam Casselden SC (Chairman), Stefan Terblanche and Eroni Clarke assessed the case.In his finding, Foul Play Review Committee Chairman Adam Casselden SC ruled the following: "Having conducted a detailed review of all the available evidence, including all camera angles and additional evidence, including submissions from his legal representative, Stephen Cottrell, the Foul Play Review Committee upheld the Red Card under Law 9.16." "With respect to sanction the Foul Play Review Committee deemed the act of foul play merited a mid-range entry point of 6 weeks due to World Rugby instructions that dictate any incident of foul play which results in contact with the head and/or neck must start at a mid-range level. However, taking into account mitigating factors including the Player's exemplary judicial record, his expressed remorse and the fact the Player has pleaded guilty at the first available opportunity, the Foul Play Review Committee reduced the suspension to 3 weeks." "The Foul Play Review Committee adjourned the hearing to seek more evidence regarding the Player's proposed schedule of matches. Upon reconvening the Foul Play Review Committee was presented with extensive evidence demonstrating the Player's intended playing schedule." "The player is therefore suspended for 3 weeks, up to and including Sunday 1 September 2019.” -
What a flogging we copped. All the criticisms of the past couple of years coming home to roost. Great blend of hysteria and scattergun blame from the fern, and even some bizarre optimism about how despite being comprehensively outplayed with 15 men in the first half, the result is all down to the 14 man second half.
Point 1: as usual, we kick the ball away. Too many try to be clever shit short kicks. We've been doing this for years, and it's low percentage crap. That and handling errors - largely from poor passing decisions - gave us no ball.
Point 2: our tackling was shit. Had to make way too many due to possession, they were making the advantage line at will... and then we had to do it with 14 men.Crap being spouted:
It's Mounga's fault. No, Barrett has been at 10 for a number of shit performances leading up to this. Mounga's defence is crap. No, it's not. Stats say better than most. He's not being hidden on the wing as suggested, he and Barrett are frequently defending as dual fullbacks, it's part of the 2 playmakers plan. I hate to think what would be being said if he got run over like Barrett did.
The midfield is shit. Well goodhue was very good then went off after what, 10 mins? Bit rough to judge a disrupted midfield when forwards are getting owned all day.
Ben Smith is now too slow. He's never been fast for an outside back. He's quick on his feet, very well balanced and great in contact. Much like Corey Jane in that regard. He's always been a better fullback than winger, but he is hardly to blame for this beating.
Savea and Cane is a disaster which will never work. Well, name the available 6 who would have improved things? Losing a lock and playing with 7 forwards isn't a fair trial for a lightweight loose trio. Most concerns pregame were lineout, which was fine. Bugger all people were concerned in advance re tackling etc, cause Cane tackles like a 6.
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@reprobate said in Bledisloe #1:
What a flogging we copped. All the criticisms of the past couple of years coming home to roost. Great blend of hysteria and scattergun blame from the fern, and even some bizarre optimism about how despite being comprehensively outplayed with 15 men in the first half, the result is all down to the 14 man second half.
Crap being spouted:
Savea and Cane is a disaster which will never work. Well, name the available 6 who would have improved things? Losing a lock and playing with 7 forwards isn't a fair trial for a lightweight loose trio. Most concerns pregame were lineout, which was fine. Bugger all people were concerned in advance re tackling etc, cause Cane tackles like a 6.
I think probably Hemopo.
I'd banged the drum enough about the lineout, without riling up Ardie's fans further by casting aspersions on his capacity to dominate the collisions. But, it's a concern playing two opensides and a contributory part to a pack that got dominated. Did touch on it here and elsewhere.
@Chris-B said in AB squad for the Rugby Championship:
Size is important in all things. A number of instances where its been reported that the AB coaches have asked players to put on a few more kgs. Hookers and loosies especially. They wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't important - and for more than lineouts. Winning rugby is about winning the collisions and good big guys win the collisions against good little guys.
(They've also asked a few fat props to trim down for obvious reasons).
Hansen likes big opensides - McCaw and Cane have been his first choices. He likes big blindsides as well.
We're dug into a bit of a hole at 6 and you're dead right - time is running out.
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Someone mentioned the loss to OZ in 2011 before the RWC.
We rolled out our number 1 side in that Brisbane test bar Guildford and Adam Thomson. We had some setbacks in that game (no RC or YC) but Read and Thomson both got injured in the 1st 40 and were replaced by Ali and Vito. Similar to Perth, OZ dominated the 1st half and I particularly remember how they targeted Nonu every time he carried. Nonu was made to look a little one dimensional in that test.
