TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98)
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@Machpants Friendlies if you will.
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@Yeetyaah said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Machpants Friendlies if you will.
Old mate from Argentina blissfully unaware of the comedy gold he’s given the fern
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@rotated said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Bovidae said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Rassie has also mentioned he would like to beat the ABs in NZ to provide some momentum for the RWC, like England did in 2003.
France showed in 99 and 07 it is much better having the ABs put 50+ points on you in Wellington in a RWC year if you plan on beating them at the tournament.
Rassie should follow that plan instead.
This. I reckon Rassie will be ambivalent about a win here. They could play the ABs 3 times this year, but may only need to beat them once to win the RWC. I think he'll have a similar attitude to the RWC pool game - a win would be great, but a loss would still given them a good shot at winning the tournament. The winner of that pool would get an "easier" QF against Scotland (probably), but given recent history that's hardly a fait accompli. And beating the ABs once in a RWC final - assuming both teams make it that far - would be easier than beating them in pool pay too.
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Do the Allblacks and springboks understand the term friendly ?
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@kiwiinmelb said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Do the Allblacks and springboks understand the term friendly ?
Here's hoping they've read the fern these last few weeks then they'll be relieved to know there's actually nothing whatsoever riding on this game.
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@kiwiinmelb said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Do the Allblacks and springboks understand the term friendly ?
No.
But they do understand keeping your powder dry.
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@Chester-Draws said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@kiwiinmelb said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Do the Allblacks and springboks understand the term friendly ?
No.
But they do understand keeping your powder dry.
Vaea Fifita understands that too judging by his efforts over the weekend.
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@Chester-Draws said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
ItalyArgentina are exactly as good as you would expect for a minority winter sport in a soccer mad country.If we play them, then apparently it's apparently a meaningless romp for us. If we refuse to play them, then were are snobbish piston wristed gibbons who don't want rugby to thrive. For some people, there's no way anything we do will be right.
And while
ItalyArgentina will struggle to beat the top nations, it's only that way precisely because they do take them seriously. If we run out a badly under-strength side against them, then we can expect to be beaten. It wasn't that long ago that the Springboks discovered that.There you go fixed that.
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@kiwiinmelb said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Do the Allblacks and springboks understand the term friendly ?
Sure do, in the sheds afterwards
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@MN5 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Yeetyaah said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Machpants Friendlies if you will.
Old mate from Argentina blissfully unaware of the comedy gold he’s given the fern
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@pukunui said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@MN5 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Do you consider a Test Match vs Italy a serious game?
Especially one which ends up being 3-66....
Italy are Tier 2 nation with a tier 1 Economy
They're mere cannon fodder in 6 NationsMoreover when was the last match you saw an ABs side spend 30 seconds in an opponents 22 in 2nd half a Test Match
Pumas set up camp on ABs 40 metre linePumas 2nd half mauling was for nothing as they made too many errors when they had the pill I look forward to play NZ in Buenos Aires in 2020 with a very similar side
What has Italy got to do with a single thing you have posted above ?
Italy appear to be part of the massive chip he has on his shoulder over other teams that occupy the same tier as Argentina. Japan and Scotland being the others.
But 2020 is going to be the year the Pumas/Jaguares DOMINATE! Or maybe 2021 or 2022 or 2023. No one else stands a chance because they are all rubbish or their players will be past it by then.
Nice projection there
Find me a response on TSF where I've mentioned Italy beforehand.... I have no interest in Italian rugby beyond them being bottom feeders in 6 Nations
Likewise I have no care in the world for Scottish & Japanese rugby beyond both sides importing 2nd rate Mercenaries for their national side
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@Jaguares4real said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@pukunui said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@MN5 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Do you consider a Test Match vs Italy a serious game?
Especially one which ends up being 3-66....
Italy are Tier 2 nation with a tier 1 Economy
They're mere cannon fodder in 6 NationsMoreover when was the last match you saw an ABs side spend 30 seconds in an opponents 22 in 2nd half a Test Match
Pumas set up camp on ABs 40 metre linePumas 2nd half mauling was for nothing as they made too many errors when they had the pill I look forward to play NZ in Buenos Aires in 2020 with a very similar side
What has Italy got to do with a single thing you have posted above ?
Italy appear to be part of the massive chip he has on his shoulder over other teams that occupy the same tier as Argentina. Japan and Scotland being the others.
But 2020 is going to be the year the Pumas/Jaguares DOMINATE! Or maybe 2021 or 2022 or 2023. No one else stands a chance because they are all rubbish or their players will be past it by then.
Nice projection there
Find me a response on TSF where I've mentioned Italy beforehand.... I have no interest in Italian rugby beyond them being bottom feeders in 6 Nations
Likewise I have no care in the world for Scottish & Japanese rugby beyond both sides importing 2nd rate Mercenaries for their national side
So not unlike Argentina in the 4N then ?
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@MN5 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@pukunui said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@MN5 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Do you consider a Test Match vs Italy a serious game?
Especially one which ends up being 3-66....
Italy are Tier 2 nation with a tier 1 Economy
They're mere cannon fodder in 6 NationsMoreover when was the last match you saw an ABs side spend 30 seconds in an opponents 22 in 2nd half a Test Match
Pumas set up camp on ABs 40 metre linePumas 2nd half mauling was for nothing as they made too many errors when they had the pill I look forward to play NZ in Buenos Aires in 2020 with a very similar side
What has Italy got to do with a single thing you have posted above ?
Italy appear to be part of the massive chip he has on his shoulder over other teams that occupy the same tier as Argentina. Japan and Scotland being the others.
But 2020 is going to be the year the Pumas/Jaguares DOMINATE! Or maybe 2021 or 2022 or 2023. No one else stands a chance because they are all rubbish or their players will be past it by then.
Yes Italy are terrible. As a Scots fan I love that they're in the six nations.
I am slightly triggered by this though, Scotland are still 7th in the world althoughas @Jaguares4real says rankings are ultimately meaningless ( just like test matches ) so I shouldn't get so wound up.
My views on World Rankings is: they don't fucking matter
You think England & France are happy with Argentina in their RWC Pool?
You think Wales & Australia are happy with Fiji in their RWC Pool? -
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@MN5 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@pukunui said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@MN5 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Do you consider a Test Match vs Italy a serious game?
Especially one which ends up being 3-66....
Italy are Tier 2 nation with a tier 1 Economy
They're mere cannon fodder in 6 NationsMoreover when was the last match you saw an ABs side spend 30 seconds in an opponents 22 in 2nd half a Test Match
Pumas set up camp on ABs 40 metre linePumas 2nd half mauling was for nothing as they made too many errors when they had the pill I look forward to play NZ in Buenos Aires in 2020 with a very similar side
What has Italy got to do with a single thing you have posted above ?
Italy appear to be part of the massive chip he has on his shoulder over other teams that occupy the same tier as Argentina. Japan and Scotland being the others.
But 2020 is going to be the year the Pumas/Jaguares DOMINATE! Or maybe 2021 or 2022 or 2023. No one else stands a chance because they are all rubbish or their players will be past it by then.
Yes Italy are terrible. As a Scots fan I love that they're in the six nations.
I am slightly triggered by this though, Scotland are still 7th in the world althoughas @Jaguares4real says rankings are ultimately meaningless ( just like test matches ) so I shouldn't get so wound up.
My views on World Rankings is: they don't fucking matter
You think England & France are happy with Argentina in their RWC Pool?
You think Wales & Australia are happy with Fiji in their RWC Pool?It's a good thing you believe that cos your team is 10th.
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@MN5 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@pukunui said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@MN5 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Do you consider a Test Match vs Italy a serious game?
Especially one which ends up being 3-66....
Italy are Tier 2 nation with a tier 1 Economy
They're mere cannon fodder in 6 NationsMoreover when was the last match you saw an ABs side spend 30 seconds in an opponents 22 in 2nd half a Test Match
Pumas set up camp on ABs 40 metre linePumas 2nd half mauling was for nothing as they made too many errors when they had the pill I look forward to play NZ in Buenos Aires in 2020 with a very similar side
What has Italy got to do with a single thing you have posted above ?
Italy appear to be part of the massive chip he has on his shoulder over other teams that occupy the same tier as Argentina. Japan and Scotland being the others.
But 2020 is going to be the year the Pumas/Jaguares DOMINATE! Or maybe 2021 or 2022 or 2023. No one else stands a chance because they are all rubbish or their players will be past it by then.
Nice projection there
Find me a response on TSF where I've mentioned Italy beforehand.... I have no interest in Italian rugby beyond them being bottom feeders in 6 Nations
Likewise I have no care in the world for Scottish & Japanese rugby beyond both sides importing 2nd rate Mercenaries for their national side
So not unlike Argentina in the 4N then ?
To an extent Yes
But remember teams in TRC are of a much higher quality than in 6 Nations & travel itinerary is rough for the Pumas to boot
Moreover Pumas were playing TRC before Super Rugby so there was little prep to adjust playing style and conditioning for the comp Add a lame duck head coach post 2015 RWC and you have 6 years of futility
Only in last 18 months has there been a semblance of continuity in ARG rugby Time will how Quesada + Ledesma coaching ticket improves ARG rugby overall
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@gt12 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
I'm guessing, but I assume that everyone picked will get at least some opportunity (perhaps not Aumua), so the team I'd run out - given that the coaches have said clearly that they don't value the RC - is:
- Moody
- Taylor
- Franks
- Hemopo (this would be the game to find out if he has Brad Thornism or not)
- Whitelock
- Frizzel
- Todd
- Read (c)
- TJP
- Mo'unga
- R. Ioane/ Bridge
- SBW
- Goodhue
- Bridge/ Ioane
- B. Smith
- Coles (Aumua)
- Karl T.
- Laulala/Ta'vao
- Retallick
- Paps
- A. Smith
- Ioane
- B. Barrett/Laumape
Would be pretty interesting if they give Mo'unga the start at 10 in probably the toughest test before RWC.
If he did really well, would Hansen then contemplate giving him a Bledisloe test and a chance at usurping Beauden? I'm still sceptical, but Richie is in a sort of similar place as Ardie Savea - and to win the RWC again Hansen may need to throw caution (and some experience) to the wind.
Aside from this - I don't see Hemopo starting over Retallick; I suspect Matt Todd is only going to be an injury call-up, so probably won't make the 23; not sure what Frizell's status is - he played club rugby last weekend, but only half a game, so I'd think at best a bench option - maybe they will start Jacobson; I'd expect Sam Cane to start and Ardie from the bench - or possibly vice-versa. I don't see both Barrett and Ioane on the bench (assuming that Barrett doesn't start - which is my guess - that he will).
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@Jaguares4real said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@MN5 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@pukunui said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@MN5 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Do you consider a Test Match vs Italy a serious game?
Especially one which ends up being 3-66....
Italy are Tier 2 nation with a tier 1 Economy
They're mere cannon fodder in 6 NationsMoreover when was the last match you saw an ABs side spend 30 seconds in an opponents 22 in 2nd half a Test Match
Pumas set up camp on ABs 40 metre linePumas 2nd half mauling was for nothing as they made too many errors when they had the pill I look forward to play NZ in Buenos Aires in 2020 with a very similar side
What has Italy got to do with a single thing you have posted above ?
Italy appear to be part of the massive chip he has on his shoulder over other teams that occupy the same tier as Argentina. Japan and Scotland being the others.
But 2020 is going to be the year the Pumas/Jaguares DOMINATE! Or maybe 2021 or 2022 or 2023. No one else stands a chance because they are all rubbish or their players will be past it by then.
Nice projection there
Find me a response on TSF where I've mentioned Italy beforehand.... I have no interest in Italian rugby beyond them being bottom feeders in 6 Nations
Likewise I have no care in the world for Scottish & Japanese rugby beyond both sides importing 2nd rate Mercenaries for their national side
So not unlike Argentina in the 4N then ?
To an extent Yes
But remember teams in TRC are of a much higher quality than in 6 Nations & travel itinerary is rough for the Pumas to boot
Moreover Pumas were playing TRC before Super Rugby so there was little prep to adjust playing style and conditioning for the comp Add a lame duck head coach post 2015 RWC and you have 6 years of futility
Only in last 18 months has there been a semblance of continuity in ARG rugby Time will how Quesada + Ledesma coaching ticket improves ARG rugby overall
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........
Wales, Ireland and England are 2nd, 3rd and 4th in the world. Which I admit is below the All Blacks......but above South Africa and Australia.
But then rankings don't matter so how do you assess quality ?
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It's alot easier to beat Italy Scotland France than NZ Australia & Argentina
I assess quality at Rugby World Cups
