CWC Final - Black Caps v England
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@Godder said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
We've got the decent base of a good side for 2023 - Kane, Latham, Nicholls, Neesham, Santner, Ferguson are all young enough, and I'm probably missing a few.
Blundell is 29, Ish Sodhi could be around too
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@Bovidae said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
Maybe the ultimate tie-breaker is how many home-grown players in each team.
Good thing Watling and Raval aren't in our ODI side then... and Sodhi didn't make the starting XI!
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@akan004 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@Bones said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
Boult dropped the cup...
And yet again, Williamson not prepared to put himself in under pressure. Why have cart horse Guptill out there if you're opening with Neesh?
He explained it in the PC. They wanted the fastest runner out there and that was Guptill. The plan was to give Neesham most of the strike by turning ones into twos.
Guptill probably would have made it too, if he had all his toes.
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@Smudge said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@akan004 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@Bones said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
Boult dropped the cup...
And yet again, Williamson not prepared to put himself in under pressure. Why have cart horse Guptill out there if you're opening with Neesh?
He explained it in the PC. They wanted the fastest runner out there and that was Guptill. The plan was to give Neesham most of the strike by turning ones into twos.
Guptill probably would have made it too, if he had all his toes.
A mate of mine lost one of his toes in a trampoline accident as a young fella, I never knew til I saw him barefoot once and it was a bit of a "what the fuck" type moment. Said it took him months to learn to walk and run again.
He ain't got nothing on Guppy though !
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@pakman said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@Wairau said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
I wish that the ICC would declare a shared World Cup for 2019, with sharing of the trophy. We drew through both forms of cricket matches, and had a blatant umpiring error affect the outcome of the match in the crucial last over.
I'm afraid the winner will always be England*.
The only winner in all of this is the Australian media who will have a field day with the "World Champions".
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@Sneakdefreak said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@pakman said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@Wairau said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
I wish that the ICC would declare a shared World Cup for 2019, with sharing of the trophy. We drew through both forms of cricket matches, and had a blatant umpiring error affect the outcome of the match in the crucial last over.
I'm afraid the winner will always be England*.
The only winner in all of this is the Australian media who will have a field day with the "World Champions".
The NZ media are banging on with the 'we was robbed' angle. I don't like us banging on about it. We all know what happened *
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@ACT-Crusader said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
So Kane and Ferg made the tournament XI with Kane captain.
And Trent?
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Kind of funny with all this Kane love that the panel on the TMS podcast managed to leave him out of their team of the tournament after the group stage. They came up with something like
Rohit
Roy (not sure on this one)
Shakab
Kohli
Root
Stokes
Carey
Archer
Starc
Bumrah
+1 (may have been Ferguson) -
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Aus media has been scathing too. It's like a penalty shootout that stops at 5 and then they use some other metric (least yellow cards?) to decide the winner. Plenty of talk about the 5 not 6 runs too. Such a shame.
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@akan004 while still averaging 60 odd? agree he wasn't that dominant, but holy shit the bar gets set high for him.
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@Paekakboyz said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@akan004 while still averaging 60 odd? agree he wasn't that dominant, but holy shit the bar gets set high for him.
Kohlis stats are ridiculous though.
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Official tournament team is pretty much on the money.
If you were going to quibble at all, Wee Davey Warner is probably unlucky not to be 12th man ahead of Trent (or potentially even in the XI ahead of Roy), but he failed in the semi and he's Davey, so feck him!
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@KiwiPie Fair enough. I suppose I always judge players on how they perform in crunch matches.
As an aside, was really surprised that Australia were so poor in the semis. Of all the teams, you would expect them to be at their best in the big games. We did an Aussie in this WC, we peaked when it mattered and only a whole lot of bad luck cost us the title.
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4 seamers and no spinners in the tournament XI.
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@ACT-Crusader Root could send a few pies down
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@rotated said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@mariner4life said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
well, shit aye.
I'm actually not sure how to feel. We can't even fall back on being beaten by a better side on the day. Because we weren't beaten.
Get my rant in. What fuckwit came up with most boundaries as the 2nd tie-breaker? Effectively England have been handed the cup for having less scoring shots than us? In what way is that a good measurement? Get absolutely fucked. I am not having that. Celebrate you pommy (UN) fucks, we all know it feels hollow.
Two bad pieces of luck in the last couple of overs. But that overthrow 6 is about as unlucky as you can possibly get. Right there you know it is not your day. Fucking hell.
I thought we were 30 runs short, turns out we were one. Imagine if we didn't duck under the last ball of the innings?
This is about where I'm at with it too. Although in a way I feel bad for both sides as England will always have a bit of asterix on the title and the lack of closure will likely torment NZ more than a loss. I'm not entirely sure I would be that much happier if NZ had "won" on an equally ridiculous countback.
The NZ team can be very proud, they played great cricket and did not wilt under the pressure and in the last two games added more to the lore of NZ cricket history than other teams did in an entire four year cycle. I juts hope for the Black Caps that in time the absurdity and incredible nature of the result or lack thereof a little easier to swallow.
On the bright side I look forward to Kane on commentary at the 2039 CWC semi final talking about this game at length...
You're having a little tug on your own whizzer there if you seriously believe the Poms will give a second thought to the way they were awarded this WC. They won't give a flying fuck. It's in the record books, that's all that matters. And we'd feel exactly the same. At most they'll feel mildly sympathetic towards us but they'll feel completely justified in having taken this title, one way or another.
