CWC Final - Black Caps v England
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@Nevorian said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@mofitzy_ said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
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You can't point at any one thing. England got the rub of the green many times, both in luck and by the umpire.Should have been Kane needling a 4 rather than Guppy running himself out...
I didn't get to see the whole match - what was the rub of the green from the umpires?
Some of it was self inflicted. Nicholls and Guppy blew our review when he was plumb lbw, which had a flow on effect when Erasmus gave Rosco out LBW off a ball that looked high in real time and we had no review. He also gave Roy not out lbw first or second ball, DRS was about 1cm from over turning but went to refs call
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well, shit aye.
I'm actually not sure how to feel. We can't even fall back on being beaten by a better side on the day. Because we weren't beaten.
Get my rant in. What fuckwit came up with most boundaries as the 2nd tie-breaker? Effectively England have been handed the cup for having less scoring shots than us? In what way is that a good measurement? Get absolutely fucked. I am not having that. Celebrate you pommy (UN) fucks, we all know it feels hollow.
Two bad pieces of luck in the last couple of overs. But that overthrow 6 is about as unlucky as you can possibly get. Right there you know it is not your day. Fucking hell.
I thought we were 30 runs short, turns out we were one. Imagine if we didn't duck under the last ball of the innings?
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On the selections for the super over, i think they got it bang on, those are the two i would have gone with. Our two best power hitters who can go from the first ball. Guptill is also really quick between the wickets. And they damn near pulled it off.
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@mariner4life said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
well, shit aye.
I'm actually not sure how to feel. We can't even fall back on being beaten by a better side on the day. Because we weren't beaten.
Get my rant in. What fuckwit came up with most boundaries as the 2nd tie-breaker? Effectively England have been handed the cup for having less scoring shots than us? In what way is that a good measurement? Get absolutely fucked. I am not having that. Celebrate you pommy (UN) fucks, we all know it feels hollow.
Two bad pieces of luck in the last couple of overs. But that overthrow 6 is about as unlucky as you can possibly get. Right there you know it is not your day. Fucking hell.
I thought we were 30 runs short, turns out we were one. Imagine if we didn't duck under the last ball of the innings?
After round one we beat SL by ten wickets and the Windies beat Pakistan by seven. They went to the top of the table when I reckon we should have.
Why do the organisers not seem to give a fuck about wickets lost in the overall scheme of things ? it should be the most important part of any complicated cricket equation.
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@canefan said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
That was the last chance for many of this group, gutted for them
Guptill and Southee have both fallen off a cliff in terms of form which they may never get back. I think it's safe to say they won't be there next time round.
you'd imagine Rossco will have retired by the next cup but the others are all young enough to have another hoon you'd imagine.
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Next CWC is in India so unless we acquire a bunch of allrounders who are spin bowlers I doubt we will be in the final again.
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@mariner4life said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
well, shit aye.
I'm actually not sure how to feel. We can't even fall back on being beaten by a better side on the day. Because we weren't beaten.
Get my rant in. What fuckwit came up with most boundaries as the 2nd tie-breaker? Effectively England have been handed the cup for having less scoring shots than us? In what way is that a good measurement? Get absolutely fucked. I am not having that. Celebrate you pommy (UN) fucks, we all know it feels hollow.
Two bad pieces of luck in the last couple of overs. But that overthrow 6 is about as unlucky as you can possibly get. Right there you know it is not your day. Fucking hell.
I thought we were 30 runs short, turns out we were one. Imagine if we didn't duck under the last ball of the innings?
This is about where I'm at with it too. Although in a way I feel bad for both sides as England will always have a bit of asterix on the title and the lack of closure will likely torment NZ more than a loss. I'm not entirely sure I would be that much happier if NZ had "won" on an equally ridiculous countback.
The NZ team can be very proud, they played great cricket and did not wilt under the pressure and in the last two games added more to the lore of NZ cricket history than other teams did in an entire four year cycle. I juts hope for the Black Caps that in time the absurdity and incredible nature of the result or lack thereof a little easier to swallow.
On the bright side I look forward to Kane on commentary at the 2039 CWC semi final talking about this game at length...
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@MN5 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
That was the last chance for many of this group, gutted for them
Guptill and Southee have both fallen off a cliff in terms of form which they may never get back. I think it's safe to say they won't be there next time round.
you'd imagine Rossco will have retired by the next cup but the others are all young enough to have another hoon you'd imagine.
Latham, Nicholls, Kane, Blundell, Mitch, Sodhi, will all be there. Boult is 30, not sure about Henry. Neesh is one injury away from retirement. CWC in India will be tough, the last 2 cups in conditions favoured us more than the subcontinent teams
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@rotated said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
The NZ team can be very proud, they played great cricket and did not wilt under the pressure and in the last two games added more to the lore of NZ cricket history than other teams did in an entire four year cycle. I juts hope for the Black Caps that in time the absurdity and incredible nature of the result or lack thereof a little easier to swallow
Being a Black Caps supporter is so very very trying.
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@canefan said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
That was the last chance for many of this group, gutted for them
Guptill and Southee have both fallen off a cliff in terms of form which they may never get back. I think it's safe to say they won't be there next time round.
you'd imagine Rossco will have retired by the next cup but the others are all young enough to have another hoon you'd imagine.
Latham, Nicholls, Kane, Blundell, Mitch, Sodhi, will all be there. Boult is 30, not sure about Henry. Neesh is one injury away from retirement. CWC in India will be tough, the last 2 cups in conditions favoured us more than the subcontinent teams
Or one injury away from being a specialist batsman.
You'd imagine the luck of the Colin's would have well and truly run out by 2023 too now I think about it.
Bad news for Black Caps fans is we are gonna need to find not one but TWO openers given Nicholls will be well and truly ensconced in the number four batting spot in all forms of the game.
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@MN5 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
That was the last chance for many of this group, gutted for them
Guptill and Southee have both fallen off a cliff in terms of form which they may never get back. I think it's safe to say they won't be there next time round.
you'd imagine Rossco will have retired by the next cup but the others are all young enough to have another hoon you'd imagine.
Latham, Nicholls, Kane, Blundell, Mitch, Sodhi, will all be there. Boult is 30, not sure about Henry. Neesh is one injury away from retirement. CWC in India will be tough, the last 2 cups in conditions favoured us more than the subcontinent teams
Or one injury away from being a specialist batsman.
You'd imagine the luck of the Colin's would have well and truly run out by 2023 too now I think about it.
Bad news for Black Caps fans is we are gonna need to find not one but TWO openers given Nicholls will be well and truly ensconced in the number four batting spot in all forms of the game.
Neesh is good enough. And he's already got test 100s to his name. Who knows what type of opening batting the next cup will require. But they have to make room for Blundell and Latham so one has to open
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@canefan said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
That was the last chance for many of this group, gutted for them
Guptill and Southee have both fallen off a cliff in terms of form which they may never get back. I think it's safe to say they won't be there next time round.
you'd imagine Rossco will have retired by the next cup but the others are all young enough to have another hoon you'd imagine.
Latham, Nicholls, Kane, Blundell, Mitch, Sodhi, will all be there. Boult is 30, not sure about Henry. Neesh is one injury away from retirement. CWC in India will be tough, the last 2 cups in conditions favoured us more than the subcontinent teams
Or one injury away from being a specialist batsman.
You'd imagine the luck of the Colin's would have well and truly run out by 2023 too now I think about it.
Bad news for Black Caps fans is we are gonna need to find not one but TWO openers given Nicholls will be well and truly ensconced in the number four batting spot in all forms of the game.
Neesh is good enough. And he's already got test 100s to his name. Who knows what type of opening batting the next cup will require. But they have to make room for Blundell and Latham so one has to open
Would be a shame if this occured, Neeshams bowling in this cup has been inspired at times.
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Boundary countback rule. What a load of shite. I would have been quite happy if they based it on win-loss during the tournament, but boundaries. That's just pøø.
But plenty to be proud of. Hopefully the ABs go one better and don't lose due to a dropgoal countback or some shit.
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@mariner4life said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@rotated said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
The NZ team can be very proud, they played great cricket and did not wilt under the pressure and in the last two games added more to the lore of NZ cricket history than other teams did in an entire four year cycle. I juts hope for the Black Caps that in time the absurdity and incredible nature of the result or lack thereof a little easier to swallow
Being a Black Caps supporter is so very very trying.
For sure, it's no fun eating another shit sand-which and being left to celebrate a another great moral victory. But all in all it's a great team to support, they've certainly put NZ cricket in a better spot than it was at the toss, and to see those guys stand up when the pressure was on was great. Couldn't be prouder of this side and I think they did a lot today to shake the soft-underbelly tag that many have put on us.
The most trying aspect for me is that high-stakes games like this are not the norm for this side and over time we may return to a steady diet of games in front of 800 people at University Oval. We do have a big summer coming up with the England tour and Boxing Day/New Year's tests there to focus the mind - so perhaps the good times can keep rolling?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
Hopefully the ABs go one better and don't lose due to a dropgoal countback or some shit.
The ABs were going to win 1995 on less red cards in the tournament if Stransky did not slot that drop goal. That would have been hollow too.
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Such a gutting way to not win. I agree that wickets lost are a better metric, the whole point of the game is to score runs while protecting your wicket. Still, both teams knew the rules and it was infuriating to watch the BlackCaps not bat intelligently.
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Two random thoughts/rants:
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That loss would be easier to stomach if the count back rule was "who finished the round robin as the highest ranked team". Boundaries/wickets/"the number of spanners in a sidchrome tool kit" is just annoying...
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There's something jarring about reading press commentary of England being 'deserved winners of the final'. The Cup maybe, but 241 & 15 playing 241 and 15 suggests no standout winners on the day....
I sense I'm going to be (even) grumpier than usual for a very long time...
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