CWC Final - Black Caps v England
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@MN5 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
That was the last chance for many of this group, gutted for them
Guptill and Southee have both fallen off a cliff in terms of form which they may never get back. I think it's safe to say they won't be there next time round.
you'd imagine Rossco will have retired by the next cup but the others are all young enough to have another hoon you'd imagine.
Latham, Nicholls, Kane, Blundell, Mitch, Sodhi, will all be there. Boult is 30, not sure about Henry. Neesh is one injury away from retirement. CWC in India will be tough, the last 2 cups in conditions favoured us more than the subcontinent teams
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@rotated said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
The NZ team can be very proud, they played great cricket and did not wilt under the pressure and in the last two games added more to the lore of NZ cricket history than other teams did in an entire four year cycle. I juts hope for the Black Caps that in time the absurdity and incredible nature of the result or lack thereof a little easier to swallow
Being a Black Caps supporter is so very very trying.
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@canefan said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
That was the last chance for many of this group, gutted for them
Guptill and Southee have both fallen off a cliff in terms of form which they may never get back. I think it's safe to say they won't be there next time round.
you'd imagine Rossco will have retired by the next cup but the others are all young enough to have another hoon you'd imagine.
Latham, Nicholls, Kane, Blundell, Mitch, Sodhi, will all be there. Boult is 30, not sure about Henry. Neesh is one injury away from retirement. CWC in India will be tough, the last 2 cups in conditions favoured us more than the subcontinent teams
Or one injury away from being a specialist batsman.
You'd imagine the luck of the Colin's would have well and truly run out by 2023 too now I think about it.
Bad news for Black Caps fans is we are gonna need to find not one but TWO openers given Nicholls will be well and truly ensconced in the number four batting spot in all forms of the game.
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@MN5 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
That was the last chance for many of this group, gutted for them
Guptill and Southee have both fallen off a cliff in terms of form which they may never get back. I think it's safe to say they won't be there next time round.
you'd imagine Rossco will have retired by the next cup but the others are all young enough to have another hoon you'd imagine.
Latham, Nicholls, Kane, Blundell, Mitch, Sodhi, will all be there. Boult is 30, not sure about Henry. Neesh is one injury away from retirement. CWC in India will be tough, the last 2 cups in conditions favoured us more than the subcontinent teams
Or one injury away from being a specialist batsman.
You'd imagine the luck of the Colin's would have well and truly run out by 2023 too now I think about it.
Bad news for Black Caps fans is we are gonna need to find not one but TWO openers given Nicholls will be well and truly ensconced in the number four batting spot in all forms of the game.
Neesh is good enough. And he's already got test 100s to his name. Who knows what type of opening batting the next cup will require. But they have to make room for Blundell and Latham so one has to open
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@canefan said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@MN5 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@canefan said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
That was the last chance for many of this group, gutted for them
Guptill and Southee have both fallen off a cliff in terms of form which they may never get back. I think it's safe to say they won't be there next time round.
you'd imagine Rossco will have retired by the next cup but the others are all young enough to have another hoon you'd imagine.
Latham, Nicholls, Kane, Blundell, Mitch, Sodhi, will all be there. Boult is 30, not sure about Henry. Neesh is one injury away from retirement. CWC in India will be tough, the last 2 cups in conditions favoured us more than the subcontinent teams
Or one injury away from being a specialist batsman.
You'd imagine the luck of the Colin's would have well and truly run out by 2023 too now I think about it.
Bad news for Black Caps fans is we are gonna need to find not one but TWO openers given Nicholls will be well and truly ensconced in the number four batting spot in all forms of the game.
Neesh is good enough. And he's already got test 100s to his name. Who knows what type of opening batting the next cup will require. But they have to make room for Blundell and Latham so one has to open
Would be a shame if this occured, Neeshams bowling in this cup has been inspired at times.
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Boundary countback rule. What a load of shite. I would have been quite happy if they based it on win-loss during the tournament, but boundaries. That's just pøø.
But plenty to be proud of. Hopefully the ABs go one better and don't lose due to a dropgoal countback or some shit.
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@mariner4life said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@rotated said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
The NZ team can be very proud, they played great cricket and did not wilt under the pressure and in the last two games added more to the lore of NZ cricket history than other teams did in an entire four year cycle. I juts hope for the Black Caps that in time the absurdity and incredible nature of the result or lack thereof a little easier to swallow
Being a Black Caps supporter is so very very trying.
For sure, it's no fun eating another shit sand-which and being left to celebrate a another great moral victory. But all in all it's a great team to support, they've certainly put NZ cricket in a better spot than it was at the toss, and to see those guys stand up when the pressure was on was great. Couldn't be prouder of this side and I think they did a lot today to shake the soft-underbelly tag that many have put on us.
The most trying aspect for me is that high-stakes games like this are not the norm for this side and over time we may return to a steady diet of games in front of 800 people at University Oval. We do have a big summer coming up with the England tour and Boxing Day/New Year's tests there to focus the mind - so perhaps the good times can keep rolling?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
Hopefully the ABs go one better and don't lose due to a dropgoal countback or some shit.
The ABs were going to win 1995 on less red cards in the tournament if Stransky did not slot that drop goal. That would have been hollow too.
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Such a gutting way to not win. I agree that wickets lost are a better metric, the whole point of the game is to score runs while protecting your wicket. Still, both teams knew the rules and it was infuriating to watch the BlackCaps not bat intelligently.
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Two random thoughts/rants:
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That loss would be easier to stomach if the count back rule was "who finished the round robin as the highest ranked team". Boundaries/wickets/"the number of spanners in a sidchrome tool kit" is just annoying...
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There's something jarring about reading press commentary of England being 'deserved winners of the final'. The Cup maybe, but 241 & 15 playing 241 and 15 suggests no standout winners on the day....
I sense I'm going to be (even) grumpier than usual for a very long time...
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@rotated said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@mariner4life said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
well, shit aye.
I'm actually not sure how to feel. We can't even fall back on being beaten by a better side on the day. Because we weren't beaten.
Get my rant in. What fuckwit came up with most boundaries as the 2nd tie-breaker? Effectively England have been handed the cup for having less scoring shots than us? In what way is that a good measurement? Get absolutely fucked. I am not having that. Celebrate you pommy (UN) fucks, we all know it feels hollow.
Two bad pieces of luck in the last couple of overs. But that overthrow 6 is about as unlucky as you can possibly get. Right there you know it is not your day. Fucking hell.
I thought we were 30 runs short, turns out we were one. Imagine if we didn't duck under the last ball of the innings?
This is about where I'm at with it too. Although in a way I feel bad for both sides as England will always have a bit of asterix on the title and the lack of closure will likely torment NZ more than a loss. I'm not entirely sure I would be that much happier if NZ had "won" on an equally ridiculous countback.
The NZ team can be very proud, they played great cricket and did not wilt under the pressure and in the last two games added more to the lore of NZ cricket history than other teams did in an entire four year cycle. I juts hope for the Black Caps that in time the absurdity and incredible nature of the result or lack thereof a little easier to swallow.
On the bright side I look forward to Kane on commentary at the 2039 CWC semi final talking about this game at length...
I have nothing against Morgan, but his post game interview was more an interview of a team that had a conventional win not an outcome that went like that.
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@Donsteppa yes the triumphalism by some of the English press is hard to stomach.
It's a shit way to decide a match. I'm sure I'd feel the same way if the situation was reversed. The rule will quietly be changed before the next CWC. Should have had another Super Over. Plenty of soccer finals decided on penalties but if it's all square after 5 they keep going. They don't award it to the team with the most headers!!!
Not made any easier by an article on cricinfo suggesting overthrow 6 should only have been 5 as the second run shouldn't count because batsmen hadn't crossed when the ball left the fielders hand.
Feel for the Caps. Immense effort. Playing away. Never gave up. Were the marginally better team on the day with everything stacked against them It must hurt so bad..
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I've spent the 4 hours or so thinking we lost by 1 run in the super over, slightly zen that we didn't force the match/tournament to be decided by a horseshit boundary countback. Just realised the truth when talking to someone at work .... Jesus H Christ, what a stupid way to decide the tournament.
I actually had the cricinfo scorecard still open on my phone. So when I woke up, I mentally prepared myself for defeat before the checking to avoid any false hopes.
As my phone was still on the live scorecard, I saw no headlines, just the final score. I thought, "wholly fuck, we've won, 8-down beats all out" scrolled down a bit further to confirm. Stokes man-of-the-match, confused, then I see there is a super over. Ah, OK. Then see the last line of live commentary seeing we were run out 1 short, and something about the boundaries countback, I thought Guptill was 1 metre away from making the tournament a debacle ....., and thought of the 1995 RWC final and by the last five minutes I was ok with NZ losing rather than potting another droppie and winning by the unstatisfying red-card tiebreaker, and how by 16 years later I would have bitten your hand off if you offered be a 1995 RWC win by way of a Dalton red card in pool play ......
What a roller coaster for someone who went to be in the 22nd over of the first innings .....
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@dogmeat said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@Donsteppa yes the triumphalism by some of the English press is hard to stomach.
It's a shit way to decide a match. I'm sure I'd feel the same way if the situation was reversed. The rule will quietly be changed before the next CWC. Should have had another Super Over. Plenty of soccer finals decided on penalties but if it's all square after 5 they keep going. They don't award it to the team with the most headers!!!
Not made any easier by an article on cricinfo suggesting overthrow 6 should only have been 5 as the second run shouldn't count because batsmen hadn't crossed when the ball left the fielders hand.
Feel for the Caps. Immense effort. Playing away. Never gave up. Were the marginally better team on the day with everything stacked against them It must hurt so bad..
Moral victory right there.
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"luck is really the only reason Williamson and New Zealand are not world champions right now. Because, if it isn't luck that a little white leather globe no more than nine inches in circumference thrown from the deep midwicket boundary 60 to 70 metres away hits a moving piece of willow that may be no more than 38 inches in length and no more than 4.25 inches wide held by a human being diving to the ground and deflects off it, with enough speed, to an area of the field that is not patrolled by one of 11 men and goes for four, then what really is luck? And if it turns out that it should've been five runs instead of six because one umpire interpreted a rule concerning precisely such acts incorrectly? What is it?"
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cricket has always been an evil fluffybunny of a game
