Stormers v Crusaders
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@Stargazer Yeah well I think they are running scared because as Colin Mainbridge commented The McDonalds Security staff and some other customers there on the night have contacted the Crusaders with statements supporting the Players.
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Today I was trying to explain the situation to some post-millennial staff of mine, and was told it was clearly an example of "Cancel Culture", an online/social media phenomenon where spurious manufactured outrage is used as a form of harassment in itself.
So I learned something new, which is nice.
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@Nevorian said in Stormers v Crusaders:
Also just like to say it seems to be the backs who are behaving badly again, the forwards were wise and tucked up in bed
As you know, backs can go out because they know how to pick up chicks. The forwards tuck themselves into bed at the hotel so they don’t embarrass themselves.
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What actual evidence is there that any of the Crusaders have done anything wrong here? As far as I can tell someone took offence at gestures for which he was not the intended audience and perhaps did not understand.
This does appear, as far as I can tell, an enormous storm in a tea spoon.
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@ACT-Crusader although halfbacks usually needs a couple of forwards as bodyguards given thier ability to talk themselves into a corner
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Interview (from yesterday) with one of the accusers in the alleged MacDonalds incident:
Crusaders accused of homophobic abuse in Cape Town
IMO, it seems from this interview that the inteviewee accuses the player/players of lauging & jeering at them and mocking them because of their appearance, but he doesn't say what they actually said that was homophobic. It also seems that only one player was initially filming him and, when asked to delete it, said he had already deleted it, and that it only escalated when the guy who was filmed demanded that the player showed him that he had deleted it and the player responded with "make me". Obviously, he doesn't say whether he himself had a threatening demeanor at that point, but he says that it was then that the other players also started filming him. Given what seemed to be unfolding, I don't think that's so strange. Anyway, it's when this allegedly happened that the security guard stepped in and said something like "these pussies are getting a hiding" (sp), something the interviewee says is very offensive in SA. The players don't seem to be involved at all after that. The so-called limp wrist gesture and use of a high pitched voice was an accusation addressed at the security person, not the players. Also whatever physical altercation there was, also only involved the security person.
So he didn't actually say what was homophobic about what the players said (what words they used). Even if they were laughing about their appearance, I don't see how you can call that a homophobic slur or even behaviour.
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Interview with the Crusaders CEO Colin Mansbridge from this morning (RNZ):Crusaders' behaviour questioned as Mo'unga, Bridge play on
Includes an explanation about the procedure, team protocols in general and when touring, what in his view was meant in Mo'unga DM (separating the "not remembering what happened" from him "being intoxicated") etc.
Anyway, the Crusaders are also trying to get the CCTV footage from Maccas.
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It always amuses me when people get fired up at being called something, or when their family is insulted. I have lost count at the number of people who want to do unspeakable things to my mother - I think good luck to them, she is nearly 80 years old and they would be hard pressed getting any action there. At least, that's what like to tell myself!
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still find it odd, on the Mounga allegation, that the beer spitting was the first part mentioned, even in the message to RM, yet the innapropriate touching has come up as well...surely if that happened, it is the FIRST thing mentioned given in the current environment, it is viewed at seriously?
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Here's the interview from one of the South African complainants.
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@Chris-B said in Stormers v Crusaders:
Here's the interview from one of the South African complainants.
Much ado about nothing. By your own admission you were dressed funny, someone noticed (which is what you're after), laughed and rightly told you to fuck off when you kept insisting that he delete the photo/ video. The law allows for a photographer to take pictures of anyone in any public space. Whiny flufflybunny.
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It's bad enough the team are named after the Mediaeval equivalent of the SS. Now it's revealed their players are shocking homophobes and treat women like Harvey Weinstein.
I wonder how many murders, rapes and other serious crimes occurred in SA the same night that a few people allegedly said some nasty words to each other.
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@Chris-B said in Stormers v Crusaders:
Here's the interview from one of the South African complainants.
Uhm, that's what I already discussed & included in my previous post.
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@Stargazer So it is - the perils of large blocks of text.
Even worse, I listened to your Mansbridge interview and heard about the other interview - and was going to ask you if you knew where to find it. But, I decided I could find it myself...
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@taniwharugby yeah, seems like he's opened the door once he admitted/lied about not remembering anything.
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