Black Caps v India
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@Bones said in Black Caps v India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v India:
@Bones said in Black Caps v India:
@booboo how do you know it was obvious to everybody on the field? What's the protocol around disobeying the umpire?
Don't do it is generally a good rule of thumb in all sports.
Well yeah that's what I thought - Cricket is pretty harsh on dissent too isn't it? Mitchell sticking around on the field and gasping at the ump seemed bad to me.
Yep. He could be in danger of losing some of his match fee.
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@Bones said in Black Caps v India:
@booboo how do you know it was obvious to everybody on the field? What's the protocol around disobeying the umpire?
Different issue.
He was given out by the process and had to go.
I expect him and Kane to be fined.
But those unethical Indian fluffybunnies knew he wasn't out.
If they had any thread of decency they would have called him back.
What got me was Sharma obviously said something to Mitchell, who then said "tell the umpires". Gutless prick bailed and then Dhoni pulled him away.
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@booboo said in Black Caps v India:
@Bones said in Black Caps v India:
@booboo how do you know it was obvious to everybody on the field? What's the protocol around disobeying the umpire?
Different issue.
He was given out by the process and had to go.
I expect him and Kane to be fined.
But those unethical Indian fluffybunnies knew he wasn't out.
If they had any thread of decency they would have called him back.
What got me was Sharma obviously said something to Mitchell, who then said "tell the umpires". Gutless prick bailed and then Dhoni pulled him away.
What the? How did you see/hear all this? I certainly couldn't on my coverage.
It strikes me as a bit disingenuous to moan about the ethics of the Indian team when you don't know who knew/heard/saw/said what and Mitchell won't even leave the field when he's been given out.
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@booboo said in Black Caps v India:
I'm having a retrospective whinge about the Daryl Mitchell LBW decision.
I turned tele on milliseconds after he was given out on field, and he had said to Kane that he hit and asked if he should refer.
Cool.
Very first replay it was sooooo obvious he hit it I thought "oh good, not out".
Then I hear hear dufus in the box saying " no bat".
Say the fuck what? You fucking idiot.
Then the rock and roll in very slomo was indecisive, but if they replayed the full replay he'd have seen the nick.
Second, hot spot confirmed on both the bat and the ball.
I will admit that there may have been a hotspot on the bat prior to the ball passing, possibly from brushing the pad . However hotspot was pretty definitive on both bat and ball from both sides.
Sure snicko showed nothing. But the case for snicko being any sort of evidence is negated by Nigel "it could have come from anywhere, but I'm a complete moron" Llllllong.
Upshot is the DRS failed miserably due to human error. Mitchell and NZ was fucked over by incompetence.
Which brings me to my point.
It was pretty obvious everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY, on the field knew Mitchell was not out.
And it certainly appeared that Sharma said as much to Mitchell who then asked Sharma to speak to the umpires, which he started to do. At which point Dhoni intervened and seemed to persuade him not to.
At this point I have lost any potential respect for Sharma who if he had any, ANY, integrity whatsoever he'd have called Mitchell back because he knew he was not out, but obviously has no mana or authority given he could be so overidden by his granddad MS.
And as for Dhoni? Despite his demi-god status in India is obviously an unethical underhanded selfish twunt. Hope you make the final of the world cup and get given out to a shocker with 2 runs left on the last ball with no reviews left.
I wish there were more guys playing like Adam Gilchrist.
Possibly my all time favourite Aussie cricketer overall, fucken legend and I do remember admiring his stance on walking. Some fucken good humour in this vid too.
What Australian Cricket did to deserve going from him to Brad Haddin is anyone's guess.
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Drunken match report: the beer and food was great, and fucking awesome atmosphere watching India play at home, the crowd was mental.
Umpire fucked the DRS decision. Snicko is not accurate enough - that only didn't show up because of a missing frame. Hotspot was obvious, as was the live replay. Idiot.
CdG and Rosco got us back in the game, and then back out of it in the final 5 overs when they couldn't find the boundary. Amazing death bowling so credit to India, that was the winning of the game right there.
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@Bones said in Black Caps v India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v India:
@Bones said in Black Caps v India:
@booboo how do you know it was obvious to everybody on the field? What's the protocol around disobeying the umpire?
Don't do it is generally a good rule of thumb in all sports.
Well yeah that's what I thought - Cricket is pretty harsh on dissent too isn't it? Mitchell sticking around on the field and gasping at the ump seemed bad to me.
It looked bad, but put in their situation with no idea what was happening outside of what they saw on the big screen I think the initial response was pretty reasonable. Once the umpires started conferring he is well within his rights to hang around IMO.
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps v India:
Drunken match report: the beer and food was great, and fucking awesome atmosphere watching India play at home, the crowd was mental.
Umpire fucked the DRS decision. Snicko is not accurate enough - that only didn't show up because of a missing frame. Hotspot was obvious, as was the live replay. Idiot.
CdG and Rosco got us back in the game, and then back out of it in the final 5 overs when they couldn't find the boundary. Amazing death bowling so credit to India, that was the winning of the game right there.
That's my match report right there.
On the DRS issue -- the Indians saw the hot spot and took up playing positions assuming it was not out. They knew it was not out - but personally I've no issue with not recalilng him. Pro sports people are ruthless ... remember we ran out Murali a few years ago when he wandered down the pitch to congratulate his partner.
Really good night out, great crowd both ways - Indians outnumbered, but very vocal
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@Bones said in Black Caps v India:
@booboo said in Black Caps v India:
@Bones said in Black Caps v India:
@booboo how do you know it was obvious to everybody on the field? What's the protocol around disobeying the umpire?
Different issue.
He was given out by the process and had to go.
I expect him and Kane to be fined.
But those unethical Indian fluffybunnies knew he wasn't out.
If they had any thread of decency they would have called him back.
What got me was Sharma obviously said something to Mitchell, who then said "tell the umpires". Gutless prick bailed and then Dhoni pulled him away.
What the? How did you see/hear all this? I certainly couldn't on my coverage.
It strikes me as a bit disingenuous to moan about the ethics of the Indian team when you don't know who knew/heard/saw/said what and Mitchell won't even leave the field when he's been given out.
It was pretty obvious that after Sharma and Mitchell shared a word together Mitchell gestured toward the umpires, Sharma moved in that direction, then Dhoni intervened.
Sure 2 plus 2 may not equal 5 ... and we all know the effect of bias on perception, but 2 plus 2 is most of 5 (that made sense in my head ...).
As for Mitchell, he was being supported by his Captain who was also protesting. I suspect he'll be fined, but it really was a miscarriage of justice.
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Seems like Colin will be given limited chances to pad his stats and his CWC chances vs the bangles
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Third umprie was Shaun Haig who played a reasonable number of seasons batting in the top order for Otago so I'm extra curious about the rationale he worked through, since as a batsman he'd be aware of how much more a poor decision given hurts than a poor not given decision.
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@Cyclops said in Black Caps v India:
Third umprie was Shaun Haig who played a reasonable number of seasons batting in the top order for Otago so I'm extra curious about the rationale he worked through, since as a batsman he'd be aware of how much more a poor decision given hurts than a poor not given decision.
Completely useless Fern link to fame - I played against Haig in his first senior game in Dunedin - he was only 15-16 or so and was appearing for Taieri having only played for The Taieri High School prior to that (which was not a cricketing school at all). I was a wise old 17-year-old at the time.
It's fair to say he went a bit further than I did...
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@Smudge said in Black Caps v India:
@Cyclops said in Black Caps v India:
Third umprie was Shaun Haig who played a reasonable number of seasons batting in the top order for Otago so I'm extra curious about the rationale he worked through, since as a batsman he'd be aware of how much more a poor decision given hurts than a poor not given decision.
Completely useless Fern link to fame - I played against Haig in his first senior game in Dunedin - he was only 15-16 or so and was appearing for Taieri having only played for The Taieri High School prior to that (which was not a cricketing school at all). I was a wise old 17-year-old at the time.
It's fair to say he went a bit further than I did...
When you have breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Liam Squire, Joe Moody and Damian McKenzie let us know. Otherwise keep your anecdotes to yourself.
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@canefan said in Black Caps v India:
Seems like Colin will be given limited chances to pad his stats and his CWC chances vs the bangles
So it seems the players locked in for the CWC are:
- Kane Williamson
- Todd Astle
- Trent Boult
- Colin de Grandhomme
- Lockie Ferguson
- Martin Guptill
- Matt Henry
- Tom Latham
- Jimmy Neesham
- Henry Nicholls
- Ross Taylor
- Mitchell Santner
- Tim Southee
Means two spots left and you have to think Sodhi will be one of the two. So Colin Munro, Tim Seifert, Will Young and possibly Corey Anderson to fight it out for the last spot.
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@MN5 said in Black Caps v India:
@Smudge said in Black Caps v India:
@Cyclops said in Black Caps v India:
Third umprie was Shaun Haig who played a reasonable number of seasons batting in the top order for Otago so I'm extra curious about the rationale he worked through, since as a batsman he'd be aware of how much more a poor decision given hurts than a poor not given decision.
Completely useless Fern link to fame - I played against Haig in his first senior game in Dunedin - he was only 15-16 or so and was appearing for Taieri having only played for The Taieri High School prior to that (which was not a cricketing school at all). I was a wise old 17-year-old at the time.
It's fair to say he went a bit further than I did...
When you have breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Liam Squire, Joe Moody and Damian McKenzie let us know. Otherwise keep your anecdotes to yourself.
Ben Smith was the owner of my house two owners before me. I asked him about it after a Highlanders game in Melbourne, and he confirmed that was the case. Still probably the strangest question he's ever been asked by a fan post-match.
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@Smudge said in Black Caps v India:
@MN5 said in Black Caps v India:
@Smudge said in Black Caps v India:
@Cyclops said in Black Caps v India:
Third umprie was Shaun Haig who played a reasonable number of seasons batting in the top order for Otago so I'm extra curious about the rationale he worked through, since as a batsman he'd be aware of how much more a poor decision given hurts than a poor not given decision.
Completely useless Fern link to fame - I played against Haig in his first senior game in Dunedin - he was only 15-16 or so and was appearing for Taieri having only played for The Taieri High School prior to that (which was not a cricketing school at all). I was a wise old 17-year-old at the time.
It's fair to say he went a bit further than I did...
When you have breakfast with Jerome Kaino, Liam Squire, Joe Moody and Damian McKenzie let us know. Otherwise keep your anecdotes to yourself.
Ben Smith was the owner of my house two owners before me. I asked him about it after a Highlanders game in Melbourne, and he confirmed that was the case. Still probably the strangest question he's ever been asked by a fan post-match.
Marty Berry sold my folks a house a few years back in the rapa but I can't beat that Ben Smith anecdote.
Back to the cricket I think that team of @Sneakdefreak s is spot on. There is enough genuine class to go very far in the tournament if things click.
Despite the fern hatred for Colin Munro none of the guys battling for the last spot are terrible players. It's a good spot to be in.
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