Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?
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@rotated said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@canefan said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
John Hart never won a RWC. Hansen never experienced a year like 1998 (IIRC?) When we lost. A lot
I'm not arguing the relative merits of Hansen here, simply pointing out despite seven years of good results his legacy is by no means set in stone - the NZ rugby public is that fickle. If we lose the RWC the historic losses to Ireland and blown Lions series will be looked at in retrospect as massive failings and warning signs. Similarly if Hart's team won 1999 his tenure is viewed as three great years and a tough injury ravaged year where they lost a lot of experience and were a bit unlucky.
I see where you're coming from with this - and if Hansen has a disastrous final year then his legacy won't be quite as good as it looks right now - where I think a lot of people have him down as the AB's greatest ever coach. If he wins the 2019RWC, I think you can pretty much put a seal on that.
Even with a disastrous year - somehow losing the Bledisloe, the 4N and going out in the QFs of RWC - I don't think Hansen would remotely fall back to Hart's level - though Sir Ted, Sir Fred and Sir BJ (can't get the third rhyme) would probably slide back in front.
Hart's problem was that half the country couldn't stand him when he started and his other problem was that he'd hardly coached for about a decade when he started. On the first point, people were happy to pile into him when he lost (much like Mitch).
Shag's already got the redemptive Cups in the bag.
On the Lions, history tends to forget the details - but, the second test will pretty much be remembered as Sonny-Bill burning the cake at the Caketin (much like Rodney at Rustenburg).
Third test - the outside backs were missing SBW, Crotty, Ioane and BFA, plus Kaino got carded - and it still took dodgy reffing of 1905 calibre to deny us!
For me, it was an indicator that we weren't quite as far ahead of the rest of the world as we thought - and our much vaunted depth isn't quite what we thought.
All that said - I reckon we're still a pretty good chance to win next year.
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@chris-b said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
For me, it was an indicator that we weren't quite as far ahead of the rest of the world as we thought - and our much vaunted depth isn't quite what we thought.
We also had to test our injury depth. Laumape debuted in Test 1 off the bench - and BFA disappeared for the series. From an injury front, the Lions tour was spot on for them, so well done Gats for getting lucky!
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@nzzp The Lions did have a few injury problems of their own, but not to the same degree as the ABs. Hogg, for example, was expected to be the starting fullback. Billy Vunipola didn't even make the tour. A few others were injured before the 2nd test.
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All Blacks: Joe Schmidt rules out NZ coaching job after World Cup
Newshub (and Stuff in a similar article) gets it's info from the Independent. If you, like me, prefer to read the original article, here's the link:
Six Nations 2019: Joe Schmidt committed to year out of rugby but refuses to rule out Lions tour job
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@Stargazer said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
All Blacks: Joe Schmidt rules out NZ coaching job after World Cup
Newshub (and Stuff in a similar article) gets it's info from the Independent. If you, like me, prefer to read the original article, here's the link:
Six Nations 2019: Joe Schmidt committed to year out of rugby but refuses to rule out Lions tour job
Relevant paragraphs:
Follow last year’s Six Nations Grand Slam triumph and November’s victory over reigning world champions New Zealand, Schmidt is seen as a leading contender for the Lions role, which is due to be selected next year. The Kiwi confirmed that his desire to take at least a year out of rugby remains in place in order to enjoy time back home with his family, but made it clear that he does not know what lies beyond 2020.
“That is certainly the short-term plan, to not be involved in coaching,” Schmidt said. “Certainly not for 12 months and I'd say quite likely longer than that. We have a couple of family-related projects that we want to work our way through. I don't spend a lot of time at home already, so it's probably high time I did.
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@Machpants said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
I'll put it here, Gatland seems to think he needs to do some Super Rugby time first. Anyway, why don't we get more interviews like this seems to be from the preview!
I know he's been a bit of a whinger, but the guy can coach. Besides, if Shag he can change his persona Gatland can, and he could be of value. If Fozzie gets the gig what are the chances of Gats coming in as an assistant?
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Gatland is a highly experienced and successful international coach. I suspect he will apply for the All Blacks job after RWC. He deserves an interview for this job, but will obviously need to talk about his lack of involvement coaching in New Zealand.
It looks like Joe Schmidt has ruled himself out of the job. Hints that he will take a break in early 2020 then look to coach the B&I Lions in South Africa
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12200911
Less interested in Hansen daring to have a personality at an off the record fundraiser but this tidbit in the second paragraph at the bottom.
"[Schmidt] is a good coach and he is a mate. We've done a lot of coaching against each other here in New Zealand and at one stage we nearly coached Auckland together with Graham [Henry]."
I'm guessing by Auckland he means the Blues and that was going to be the back up plan if Mitch got reappointed?
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Drew Mitchell had a fucking sook about this. waaaah how disrespectful! Fuck champ, it wasn't even a bad sledge, and qualified it pretty much instantly.
And it's something most Australian's say about Chieka too. Fuck me no wonder pro sportsmen are so boring. God i miss character.
And stories like this will be the death of the sportsmans lunch.
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@mariner4life said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
Drew Mitchell had a fucking sook about this. waaaah how disrespectful! Fuck champ, it wasn't even a bad sledge, and qualified it pretty much instantly.
And it's something most Australian's say about Chieka too. Fuck me no wonder pro sportsmen are so boring. God i miss character.
And stories like this will be the death of the sportsmans lunch.
He was a twat when he played so no surprises really
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@mariner4life if anything, it was a compliment based on the comment Mickey Mouse could coach the ABs!
See I dont mind the emotion, I think it's great seeing coaches show a bit of emotion, it's the cheating comments or everyone is against us bit that emerges I hate.
I always remember seeing Woodward leaping up and down in excitement when England scored a try one time, and I thought twat...then I thought about it and how I would react if I was coaching the ABs, fairly similar I expect.
I expect many of us shout at the ref through our TV or at that player to do something, if you were coach, restraining yourself would be a big deal, and possibly remove some of the enjoyment of watching haha
We moan and bitch about players being so boring, when someone steps outside that box, they get labelled.
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@taniwharugby said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@mariner4life if anything, it was a compliment based on the comment Mickey Mouse could coach the ABs!
See I dont mind the emotion, I think it's great seeing coaches show a bit of emotion, it's the cheating comments or everyone is against us bit that emerges I hate.
I always remember seeing Woodward leaping up and down in excitement when England scored a try one time, and I thought twat...then I thought about it and how I would react if I was coaching the ABs, fairly similar I expect.
I expect many of us shout at the ref through our TV or at that player to do something, if you were coach, restraining yourself would be a big deal, and possibly remove some of the enjoyment of watching haha
We moan and bitch about players being so boring, when someone steps outside that box, they get labelled.
Jerry Collins and Anton Oliver were always bloody entertaining when interviewed.
Can't think of any others off hand.
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@MN5 said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@taniwharugby said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@mariner4life if anything, it was a compliment based on the comment Mickey Mouse could coach the ABs!
See I dont mind the emotion, I think it's great seeing coaches show a bit of emotion, it's the cheating comments or everyone is against us bit that emerges I hate.
I always remember seeing Woodward leaping up and down in excitement when England scored a try one time, and I thought twat...then I thought about it and how I would react if I was coaching the ABs, fairly similar I expect.
I expect many of us shout at the ref through our TV or at that player to do something, if you were coach, restraining yourself would be a big deal, and possibly remove some of the enjoyment of watching haha
We moan and bitch about players being so boring, when someone steps outside that box, they get labelled.
Jerry Collins and Anton Oliver were always bloody entertaining when interviewed.
Can't think of any others off hand.
shit you've never mentioned that before
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@mariner4life said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@MN5 said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@taniwharugby said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@mariner4life if anything, it was a compliment based on the comment Mickey Mouse could coach the ABs!
See I dont mind the emotion, I think it's great seeing coaches show a bit of emotion, it's the cheating comments or everyone is against us bit that emerges I hate.
I always remember seeing Woodward leaping up and down in excitement when England scored a try one time, and I thought twat...then I thought about it and how I would react if I was coaching the ABs, fairly similar I expect.
I expect many of us shout at the ref through our TV or at that player to do something, if you were coach, restraining yourself would be a big deal, and possibly remove some of the enjoyment of watching haha
We moan and bitch about players being so boring, when someone steps outside that box, they get labelled.
Jerry Collins and Anton Oliver were always bloody entertaining when interviewed.
Can't think of any others off hand.
shit you've never mentioned that before
Some of the fans may have missed it the first few times
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@mariner4life said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@MN5 said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@taniwharugby said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@mariner4life if anything, it was a compliment based on the comment Mickey Mouse could coach the ABs!
See I dont mind the emotion, I think it's great seeing coaches show a bit of emotion, it's the cheating comments or everyone is against us bit that emerges I hate.
I always remember seeing Woodward leaping up and down in excitement when England scored a try one time, and I thought twat...then I thought about it and how I would react if I was coaching the ABs, fairly similar I expect.
I expect many of us shout at the ref through our TV or at that player to do something, if you were coach, restraining yourself would be a big deal, and possibly remove some of the enjoyment of watching haha
We moan and bitch about players being so boring, when someone steps outside that box, they get labelled.
Jerry Collins and Anton Oliver were always bloody entertaining when interviewed.
Can't think of any others off hand.
shit you've never mentioned that before
To be honest I'm really looking forward to hearing about Taine's gym prowess or McCaw's book.
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@Bones said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@mariner4life said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@MN5 said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@taniwharugby said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@mariner4life if anything, it was a compliment based on the comment Mickey Mouse could coach the ABs!
See I dont mind the emotion, I think it's great seeing coaches show a bit of emotion, it's the cheating comments or everyone is against us bit that emerges I hate.
I always remember seeing Woodward leaping up and down in excitement when England scored a try one time, and I thought twat...then I thought about it and how I would react if I was coaching the ABs, fairly similar I expect.
I expect many of us shout at the ref through our TV or at that player to do something, if you were coach, restraining yourself would be a big deal, and possibly remove some of the enjoyment of watching haha
We moan and bitch about players being so boring, when someone steps outside that box, they get labelled.
Jerry Collins and Anton Oliver were always bloody entertaining when interviewed.
Can't think of any others off hand.
shit you've never mentioned that before
To be honest I'm really looking forward to hearing about Taine's gym prowess or McCaw's book.
speaks breathlessly "guess how many of Mark Waugh's nicknames I know! go on! guess!"
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