Boxing Thread
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@chris-b said in Boxing Thread:
@mn5 Shit - it's not that horrible shit of fighting on after your eyes were gouged out?!!!!
Recently I did read a book on some of the old champs of yesteryear and it was fucken brutal. Jess Willard got knocked down SEVEN times in the first round when Jack Dempsey took the belt off him in 1919. He survived another couple of rounds but got absolutely hammered.........no way that shit would stand nowadays. Apparently in those days guys could literally stand over whoever they’d knocked down and begin punching the moment one knee left the canvas.
Actually that conveniently backs up my earlier point of size not being such an issue. Willard was six six and 245lbs, Dempsey 6 0 and 187lb.
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'Rough-And-Tumble': The Deeply Southern Tradition of Nose-Biting, Testicle-Ripping, and Eye-Gouging
Life in the rural South two hundred years ago was tough, but snowstorms and blighted crops were nothing compared to the brutality of its version of no-holds-barred fighting.
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@mn5 reach is important.
and speed -they apparently measured Ali and he was super fast.
I've been reading up on why Mike Tyson reckons he would have lost against Ali. Really interesting. -
@nostrildamus said in Boxing Thread:
@mn5 reach is important.
and speed -they apparently measured Ali and he was super fast.
I've been reading up on why Mike Tyson reckons he would have lost against Ali. Really interesting.Sonny Liston was 6 foot 1 but apparently had a reach of about 7 feet. An absolute freak ( and most experts agree would have hammered Tyson )
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I know sod all about boxing but even casual observers like myself can see that Ali used his feet in a way that few since have. His head movement was like he was seeing the punches coming way before they even got close.
The cricket comparison might be a prime Tendulkar or, if we had enough video, a Bradman. -
@crucial said in Boxing Thread:
I know sod all about boxing but even casual observers like myself can see that Ali used his feet in a way that few since have. His head movement was like he was seeing the punches coming way before they even got close.
The cricket comparison might be a prime Tendulkar or, if we had enough video, a Bradman.Ali was vulnerable though, pretty near his prime he lost to Joe Frazier and Ken Norton ( both of whom George Foreman absolutely destroyed ) and some also thought he dodged a rematch with big George.
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@mn5 said in Boxing Thread:
@crucial said in Boxing Thread:
I know sod all about boxing but even casual observers like myself can see that Ali used his feet in a way that few since have. His head movement was like he was seeing the punches coming way before they even got close.
The cricket comparison might be a prime Tendulkar or, if we had enough video, a Bradman.Ali was vulnerable though, pretty near his prime he lost to Joe Frazier and Ken Norton ( both of whom George Foreman absolutely destroyed ) and some also thought he dodged a rematch with big George.
and to continue my cricket comparison even Tendulkar and Bradman got out to good balls.
I'm not saying Ali was invincible just that he would bring something to the current day that the competition may have trouble working out. -
@crucial said in Boxing Thread:
@mn5 said in Boxing Thread:
@crucial said in Boxing Thread:
I know sod all about boxing but even casual observers like myself can see that Ali used his feet in a way that few since have. His head movement was like he was seeing the punches coming way before they even got close.
The cricket comparison might be a prime Tendulkar or, if we had enough video, a Bradman.Ali was vulnerable though, pretty near his prime he lost to Joe Frazier and Ken Norton ( both of whom George Foreman absolutely destroyed ) and some also thought he dodged a rematch with big George.
and to continue my cricket comparison even Tendulkar and Bradman got out to good balls.
I'm not saying Ali was invincible just that he would bring something to the current day that the competition may have trouble working out.Ali was regarded as the fastest heavyweight of all time, I think that’s something everyone agrees on. As I said earlier though he struggled against Frasier and Norton while Foreman never did.....but we all know what happened when Ali faced Foreman......in some ways that division was a game of Rock, Paper, scissors.....
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@crucial yeah Mike Tyson said Ali would die in order to win and he would have been scared of him in the ring. His ability to circle and move out of range was pretty phenomenal in those days.
Foreman sounds like a really cool guy by the way, in interviews, he doesn't sound like he wanted a rematch and said he was in awe of Frazier, was worried thoughout the fight Joe was going to get him because he kept getting back up! -
@nostrildamus said in Boxing Thread:
@crucial yeah Mike Tyson said Ali would die in order to win and he would have been scared of him in the ring. His ability to circle and move out of range was ptryy phenomenal in those days.
Foreman sounds like a really cool guy by the way, in interviews, he doesn't sound like he wanted a rematch and said he was in awe of Frazier, was worried thoughout the fight Joe was going to get him because he kept getting back up!Frasier was absolutely tough as fuck. His only losses were to Foreman and Ali ( twice each ). He beat everyone else he faced.
That era was those three with guys like Norton, Shavers and Holmes following close behind.
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@mn5 said in Boxing Thread:
@nostrildamus said in Boxing Thread:
@crucial yeah Mike Tyson said Ali would die in order to win and he would have been scared of him in the ring. His ability to circle and move out of range was ptryy phenomenal in those days.
Foreman sounds like a really cool guy by the way, in interviews, he doesn't sound like he wanted a rematch and said he was in awe of Frazier, was worried thoughout the fight Joe was going to get him because he kept getting back up!Frasier was absolutely tough as fuck. His only losses were to Foreman and Ali ( twice each ). He beat everyone else he faced.
That era was those three with guys like Norton, Shavers and Holmes following close behind.
I think although Holmes fought Ali right at the end when Ali was cooked , and shavers and Norton .
He was the era immediatly after in a lot of ways , those guys were all pretty much finished and he dominated the division in his own right for the best part of a decade , at one stage was about 48-0 from memory
He was all out on his own as the standout heavyweight ,and the division lost interest compared to what came before, it became the era of the 4 kings , Hagler , Hearns , Leonard , Duran , they became the glory fights of that era .But his dominance as a great heavyweight often gets overlooked IMO
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Boxing fans in Aus ( not sure what the deal is in NZ)
DAZN for $2.99 a month is a bargain .
had the parker fight last week , Canelo this week ,
you can cancel anytime , no contract
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@kiwiinmelb Yeah the Parker fights here are PPV but everything else linked to DAZN gets put on it so no more AJ, Dillian Whyte and Canelo being put on PPV here which is only a good thing.
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@african-monkey said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb Yeah the Parker fights here are PPV but everything else linked to DAZN gets put on it so no more AJ, Dillian Whyte and Canelo being put on PPV here which is only a good thing.
Just watched the press conference on dazn , if billy joe fights as well as he talks we could be in for a great fight
Let’s see how confident he is after feeling some of those body shots , that’s always the litmus test fighting canelo
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@kiwiinmelb It's a nice change tbh from the usual 'it's an honour to share the same ring as Canelo' nonsense haha.
Are we about to see Saunders emulate his best mate Fury when he did Klitschko in and out of the ring?
Saunders tends to fight to his level. The more I think about it, the more I feel an upset happening providing Saunders doesn't get robed on the cards.
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Pretty good article and very hard to disagree with any of it, I think Parker has reached as far as he ever will and no disgrace in just being good as opposed to one of the greats.
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@african-monkey said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb It's a nice change tbh from the usual 'it's an honour to share the same ring as Canelo' nonsense haha.
Are we about to see Saunders emulate his best mate Fury when he did Klitschko in and out of the ring?
Saunders tends to fight to his level. The more I think about it, the more I feel an upset happening providing Saunders doesn't get robed on the cards.
Really looking forward to it , 70,000 Mexican fans in Texas , cinco demayo day , I do love the Mexicans passion for the sport ,
Would be massive if he pulled it off , I find it hard to pick against canelo in this current form at 168 pounds though , he is like a rocky marciano in a super middleweight body
I think billy joe has to start fast and pinch early rounds , imagine the scenario second half of the fight if canelo feels he has to stop him to win
