Boxing Thread
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@mn5 Might be rose-coloured spectacles?
Isn't that a bit like saying no-one today could possibly be a better lock than Colin Meads?
In almost every measurable athletic achievement, athletes are significantly faster, stronger, higher - I'm inclined to think that would be true of boxing, as well.
Fury to knock Ali the fuck out!
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@chris-b said in Boxing Thread:
@kiwiinmelb Yeah.
A bit like now that Richie is doing his enduro events, I bet he's closer to 90kgs than his 108kg playing weight.
But, isn't it weird that someone who can't get himself below 91 kgs is potentially fighting Fury.
There should be at least three divisions above 90kgs in my opinion.
The other thing that can be deceiving ,
in the other divisions a fighter can get on the scales at a certain weight , and be a lot heavier by fight time , so it can be deceiving how big they really are compared to their division weight limits would have you think.
For example In the super middle weight fight this weekend , the weight limit is 72.5 kilos ,its a bit of a science , they will weigh in on that limit , and they will probably get in the ring closer to 80 or more a day later by the time they re hydrate and eat what they need to bulk up for that extra bit of power . Both those guys probably walk around at about 90 or more out of camp. Still fit but not at fight weight .
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@chris-b said in Boxing Thread:
@mn5 Might be rose-coloured spectacles?
Isn't that a bit like saying no-one today could possibly be a better lock than Colin Meads?
In almost every measurable athletic achievement, athletes are significantly faster, stronger, higher - I'm inclined to think that would be true of boxing, as well.
Fury to knock Ali the fuck out!
I don’t think it applies as much to a fighting sport as much as it does to a power sport like Rugby. In saying that I think Meads would still compete today as a loose forward.......
The physiques of Sonny Liston, George Foreman ( early days ), Ali, Ken Norton, Joe Frasier etc more than favourably compare to bloated heavyweights of today like Fury and Ruiz. Sure Fury is enormous, tough ( amazing how he got up after Wilder knocked him down ) and a great boxer but for whatever reason he’s in no way a power puncher like guys before him. Ruiz is a fat guy who happens to be an exceptional boxer and a man who beat the huge and jacked as fuck Anthony Joshua.
It’s not a coincidence that Boxing isn’t held in the same esteem it used to be.
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@mn5 An interesting thing I've discovered from reading Terry McLean's old books is that Pinetree played quite a few games (in his earlier years) as a loose forward. 8 of his 55 tests, and plenty of tour games.
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@chris-b said in Boxing Thread:
@mn5 An interesting thing I've discovered from reading Terry McLean's old books is that Pinetree played quite a few games (in his earlier years) as a loose forward. 8 of his 55 tests, and plenty of tour games.
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Yeah great, can you keep on topic please ?
That’s the physique of Jim Jeffries ( not to be confused with the shit Aussie comedian ) who won the heavyweight belt more than a hundred years ago. 6 2 and about a hundy kg. There’s no way he couldn’t fuck shit up if he fought today.
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@mn5 Interesting to look at Ali's fighting weight through his career.
Fight by fight: Muhammad Ali's legendary career
A fight-by-fight breakdown of the boxing career of the legendary Muhammad Ali.
He starts out at 192 lbs (87 kgs) and finished against Berbick at 236 lbs (107kgs).
But, at his peak, he was pretty much 100kgs.
Which is Jack Goodhue vs Fury's Joe Moody.
Jack's going to look ripped and fast, but who is going to rock who?
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@chris-b said in Boxing Thread:
@mn5 Interesting to look at Ali's fighting weight through his career.
A fight-by-fight breakdown of the boxing career of the legendary Muhammad Ali.
He starts out at 192 lbs (87 kgs) and finished against Berbick at 236 lbs (107kgs).
But, at his peak, he was pretty much 100kgs.
Which is Jack Goodhue vs Fury's Joe Moody.
Jack's going to look ripped and fast, but who is going to rock who?
Moody is a bad comparison. Much more Brodie Retallick. I am shocked Ali was that light to start with though, 87kg is pretty lanky on a 190 odd cm frame.
But yeah, Fury does a great job considering apparently he can get up around a ridiculous 150kg when not training.
To answer your question the better fighter wins.
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@chris-b said in Boxing Thread:
@mn5 Shit - it's not that horrible shit of fighting on after your eyes were gouged out?!!!!
Recently I did read a book on some of the old champs of yesteryear and it was fucken brutal. Jess Willard got knocked down SEVEN times in the first round when Jack Dempsey took the belt off him in 1919. He survived another couple of rounds but got absolutely hammered.........no way that shit would stand nowadays. Apparently in those days guys could literally stand over whoever they’d knocked down and begin punching the moment one knee left the canvas.
Actually that conveniently backs up my earlier point of size not being such an issue. Willard was six six and 245lbs, Dempsey 6 0 and 187lb.
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@mn5 reach is important.
and speed -they apparently measured Ali and he was super fast.
I've been reading up on why Mike Tyson reckons he would have lost against Ali. Really interesting. -
@nostrildamus said in Boxing Thread:
@mn5 reach is important.
and speed -they apparently measured Ali and he was super fast.
I've been reading up on why Mike Tyson reckons he would have lost against Ali. Really interesting.Sonny Liston was 6 foot 1 but apparently had a reach of about 7 feet. An absolute freak ( and most experts agree would have hammered Tyson )
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I know sod all about boxing but even casual observers like myself can see that Ali used his feet in a way that few since have. His head movement was like he was seeing the punches coming way before they even got close.
The cricket comparison might be a prime Tendulkar or, if we had enough video, a Bradman. -
@crucial said in Boxing Thread:
I know sod all about boxing but even casual observers like myself can see that Ali used his feet in a way that few since have. His head movement was like he was seeing the punches coming way before they even got close.
The cricket comparison might be a prime Tendulkar or, if we had enough video, a Bradman.Ali was vulnerable though, pretty near his prime he lost to Joe Frazier and Ken Norton ( both of whom George Foreman absolutely destroyed ) and some also thought he dodged a rematch with big George.
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@mn5 said in Boxing Thread:
@crucial said in Boxing Thread:
I know sod all about boxing but even casual observers like myself can see that Ali used his feet in a way that few since have. His head movement was like he was seeing the punches coming way before they even got close.
The cricket comparison might be a prime Tendulkar or, if we had enough video, a Bradman.Ali was vulnerable though, pretty near his prime he lost to Joe Frazier and Ken Norton ( both of whom George Foreman absolutely destroyed ) and some also thought he dodged a rematch with big George.
and to continue my cricket comparison even Tendulkar and Bradman got out to good balls.
I'm not saying Ali was invincible just that he would bring something to the current day that the competition may have trouble working out. -
@crucial said in Boxing Thread:
@mn5 said in Boxing Thread:
@crucial said in Boxing Thread:
I know sod all about boxing but even casual observers like myself can see that Ali used his feet in a way that few since have. His head movement was like he was seeing the punches coming way before they even got close.
The cricket comparison might be a prime Tendulkar or, if we had enough video, a Bradman.Ali was vulnerable though, pretty near his prime he lost to Joe Frazier and Ken Norton ( both of whom George Foreman absolutely destroyed ) and some also thought he dodged a rematch with big George.
and to continue my cricket comparison even Tendulkar and Bradman got out to good balls.
I'm not saying Ali was invincible just that he would bring something to the current day that the competition may have trouble working out.Ali was regarded as the fastest heavyweight of all time, I think that’s something everyone agrees on. As I said earlier though he struggled against Frasier and Norton while Foreman never did.....but we all know what happened when Ali faced Foreman......in some ways that division was a game of Rock, Paper, scissors.....
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@crucial yeah Mike Tyson said Ali would die in order to win and he would have been scared of him in the ring. His ability to circle and move out of range was pretty phenomenal in those days.
Foreman sounds like a really cool guy by the way, in interviews, he doesn't sound like he wanted a rematch and said he was in awe of Frazier, was worried thoughout the fight Joe was going to get him because he kept getting back up! -
@nostrildamus said in Boxing Thread:
@crucial yeah Mike Tyson said Ali would die in order to win and he would have been scared of him in the ring. His ability to circle and move out of range was ptryy phenomenal in those days.
Foreman sounds like a really cool guy by the way, in interviews, he doesn't sound like he wanted a rematch and said he was in awe of Frazier, was worried thoughout the fight Joe was going to get him because he kept getting back up!Frasier was absolutely tough as fuck. His only losses were to Foreman and Ali ( twice each ). He beat everyone else he faced.
That era was those three with guys like Norton, Shavers and Holmes following close behind.
