Has Hansen gone stale?
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@bones said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@taniwharugby hah.....
"I signed a four-year contract in 2003 before we went to Australia simply because I wanted no distractions. It totally focused my mind.
Yeah and then you quit before the next world cup you cretin.
Yes but his point stands in that he didn't announce his resignation in advance and then lead the team for any length of time.
If I was going to pick holes in any part of that article it would be this, "Woodward, who is considered as one of the best rugby coaches in history". Even members of the England squad called him "The Bus" - well he weren't no coach.
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@catogrande ok sure - but didn't we know what Henry was gonna do in 2011? Or did he stay quiet? What about other RWC winning coaches? I don't see this as something affecting this AB team - if anything I would see it as something that would inspire them further.
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@bones said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@catogrande ok sure - but didn't we know what Henry was gonna do in 2011? Or did he stay quiet? What about other RWC winning coaches? I don't see this as something affecting this AB team - if anything I would see it as something that would inspire them further.
I'd agree. I understand Woodward's point but I don't see it as particularly significant either to the ABs or Ireland, Wales etc
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@canefan said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
To this day I have never watched the game on tv and probably never will
I'm with you, I watched it with Mrs Meldrew (who isn't a rugby afficionado), a bottle of whisky and a loaded revolver.
That said, I had a hunch we would win when The Duck came on. He was utterly nerveless and calmly went about his business - his best game in Black.
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@bones said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@catogrande ok sure - but didn't we know what Henry was gonna do in 2011? Or did he stay quiet? What about other RWC winning coaches? I don't see this as something affecting this AB team - if anything I would see it as something that would inspire them further.
Henry was an open secret - win and it was the perfect way to go out, lose and the position was untenable. White was at loggerheads with SARU going into it like most Bok coaches - so most likely gone. McQueen signed an extension before RWC (only came into power on '97 EOYT).
From a NZ perspective I pulled an old Paul Verdon book The Hartbreak Years off the shelf last night (which while horrendously biased gives the best factual account of the mechanications of AB coach appointments from Lochore to Smith) and the consensus is: Hart would have stayed, Wyllie almost quit before the RWC and was gone for sure, Lochore going soon either way, Mains unknown but would have faced another contest regardless after the France tour given Hart actually had majority union support in the 1994 contest.
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The problem with Woodward's analysis is that he has zero idea of the internal culture of the ABs. Hansen, meanwhile, helped develop it and has a much better idea of how the players will deal with the situation.
Given that part of Hansen's AB culture is to emphasise the collective and not place himself at any great level of importance the players would not expect to see any major upheaval at his departure. A new head coach may bring some new ideas and a different management style but ultimately the players know that performance is linked to their own behaviour, not that of the coach. -
Sir Clive is the same guy who believed dragging Alistair Campbell onto a Lions tour was a good idea.
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Worst part was the clickbait Herald headline "Rugby Legend: Steve Hansen's decision to quit ABs 'weak'"
Do even English rugby fans consider Sir Clive a "legend"?
Wilkinson - yes. Johnson - yes. Sir Clive - not sure...
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@taniwharugby said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
If England can keep their powder dry,
Ahhh, so it's England that have the dry powder not us.
They certainly had it under wraps last year.
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@victor-meldrew said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@canefan said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
To this day I have never watched the game on tv and probably never will
I'm with you, I watched it with Mrs Meldrew (who isn't a rugby afficionado), a bottle of whisky and a loaded revolver.
That said, I had a hunch we would win when The Duck came on. He was utterly nerveless and calmly went about his business - his best game in Black.
I've recounted this before, during the warm up Duck was taking kicks in the corner we were sitting in, which was also where he slotted the winning goal. Slotted them all IIRC. All under the gaze of the old curmudgeon Murray Deaker sitting a couple of rows back, looking suitably grumpy
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@billy-tell said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Worst part was the clickbait Herald headline "Rugby Legend: Steve Hansen's decision to quit ABs 'weak'"
Do even English rugby fans consider Sir Clive a "legend"?
Wilkinson - yes. Johnson - yes. Sir Clive - not sure...
The man is a legend in his own lunchtime
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@snowy said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@taniwharugby said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
If England can keep their powder dry,
Ahhh, so it's England that have the dry powder not us.
They certainly had it under wraps last year.
Eddie is still working on the final composition of said powder, right down to the last %.
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@bovidae said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@snowy said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@taniwharugby said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
If England can keep their powder dry,
Ahhh, so it's England that have the dry powder not us.
They certainly had it under wraps last year.
Eddie is still working on the final composition of said powder, right down to the last %.
Its slipping through his fingers
