Has Hansen gone stale?
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@canefan said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
There are some fans out there who have no idea what it was like losing in cruel and excruciating ways to Gregan/Larkham/Eales, and choking like dogs at RWCs 1995, 1999, 2003 and 2007The RWC losses were tolerable if only because in the preceeding cycle the focus wasn't solely on the RWC. The cycles before '99 and '07 had two of the best AB teams I have seen - Lions series, Grand Slams, the Bok tour. The cycle between '99 and '03 possibly had more memorable games and drama than any other.
2011 would have been gutting because it felt as though it was 'RWC or bust' from the moment Henry was reappointed. Aside from some glimmers in 2010 the entire cycle was pretty uninspired IMO.
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@antipodean said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@taniwharugby said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
further on Hansen, he has said he will be making an announcement on his future in the next 4 weeks or so....
I hope Schmidt calls in the removalists immediately after that announcement.
Funnily enough, he bought a house around the corner from me. Don't know if thats of any help...
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@rotated we didn't choke in 1995. We lost in a tight match is all.
I dislike the idea that any team that loses must have "choked". Someone literally has to lose. Sometimes they play well and lose.
It used to piss me off that South Africans would accuse all NZers of choking based on three poor RWC runs, meanwhile ignoring that their teams were absolute babies about playing away from home. We were apparently both natural chokers and dominant with our provincial teams in any finals.
The best bit of winning those two cups, and particularly the one away from home, is that has died. Not the bit about how we blew it those times, because the ABs did, but how it was blown up to be the natural order -- even as we were increasingly dominant in the sport.
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@dogmeat said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@taniwharugby 3 man scrums
Showing your age there! I vaguely remember snippets of the '77 Lions (Going's and Batty's tries in test 1, and Knight's winner in 4) but my childhood memory doesn't extend to 3 man scrums, only reading about it.
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@mokey said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life Can you imagine trying to explain those years to kids nowadays.
Well, poppets, we had some rough times. The Wallabies were on top of the world. Locks kicked. Richie cried. Anton couldn't count. The French routed us. John was on a journey...Fucking England were number 1 and won a RWC
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@chris-b said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mokey said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life Can you imagine trying to explain those years to kids nowadays.
Well, poppets, we had some rough times. The Wallabies were on top of the world. Locks kicked. Richie cried. Anton couldn't count. The French routed us. John was on a journey...Has someone still got that Gorgeous Grogan post as he rode into the sunset...?
Oh yeah. I'm sure I've git it somewhere. I'll dig it out and post it when I can.
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@victor-meldrew Don't disagree but was embarrassing admission that we could not compete
@booboo I am the Methuselah of the Fern. I was at the 4th Lions test in 77
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@booboo said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
Showing your age there! I vaguely remember snippets of the '77 Lions (Going's and Batty's tries in test 1, and Knight's winner in 4) but my childhood memory doesn't extend to 3 man scrums, only reading about it.
Fullbacks wearing no.1 on their jerseys? Well before my time!
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There are players for whom my abiding memory of them will be they lost to Ireland. Even those that won RWCs.
This applies to the coaching staff too.
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@chester-draws said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@rotated we didn't choke in 1995. We lost in a tight match is all.
I dislike the idea that any team that loses must have "choked". Someone literally has to lose. Sometimes they play well and lose.
It used to piss me off that South Africans would accuse all NZers of choking based on three poor RWC runs, meanwhile ignoring that their teams were absolute babies about playing away from home. We were apparently both natural chokers and dominant with our provincial teams in any finals.
The best bit of winning those two cups, and particularly the one away from home, is that has died. Not the bit about how we blew it those times, because the ABs did, but how it was blown up to be the natural order -- even as we were increasingly dominant in the sport.
yea, the choke narrative was always kind of annoying
91 we were beaten by a better team trending up, while we were trending down (sounds familiar)
95 beaten by a narrative.
99 was a choke. A deadset choke.
03 completely out thought. Our plan wasn't good enough to beat their plan. Leon MacDonald's fault
07 Perfect storm of shit that could possibly go wrong in a rugby game, of which an element of choking played a part. Also Leon MacDonald's fault.We actually had the best team at 95 and 2007, and that's what hurt so much. But games aren't played on paper.
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@mariner4life I'd like to add Jeff Wilson's fault to 1999.
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@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life I'd like to add Jeff Wilson's fault to 1999.
No. You fucking can't. Alright?
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@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life I'd like to add Jeff Wilson's fault to 1999.
No. You fucking can't. Alright?
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
91 we were beaten by a better team trending up, while we were trending down (sounds familiar)
95 beaten by a narrative.Jeff Wilson's fault
99 was a choke. A deadset choke.
03 completely out thought. Our plan wasn't good enough to beat their plan. Leon MacDonald's fault
07 Perfect storm of shit that could possibly go wrong in a rugby game, of which an element of choking played a part. Also Leon MacDonald's fault.Too bad, I did.
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1995 was Goldie's fault as well!! you fucking hater!!!
Fine, Piri Weepu nearly fucked 2011 for us!! And Kaino never deserved player of the year.
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@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
1995 was Goldie's fault as well!! you fucking hater!!!
Fine, Piri Weepu nearly fucked 2011 for us!! And Kaino never deserved player of the year.
Uh oh, you've gone off the reservation now.
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@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
1995 was Goldie's fault as well!! you fucking hater!!!
Fine, Piri Weepu nearly fucked 2011 for us!! And Kaino never deserved player of the year.
Uh oh, you've gone off the reservation now.
your typo caused it.
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@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@nepia said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
@mariner4life said in Has Hansen gone stale?:
1995 was Goldie's fault as well!! you fucking hater!!!
Fine, Piri Weepu nearly fucked 2011 for us!! And Kaino never deserved player of the year.
Uh oh, you've gone off the reservation now.
your typo caused it.
Look, it may surprise you that I'm no fan of the Crusaders, but if you're going to single out Leon MacDonald then the same must be done for other matches. Now, it's not Goldies fault he was playing 15 that day, but he was hopelessly out of position that day on many occasions, you could see it live at the ground and you could see it on the very painfully watched replay.
I stand by my comment.
Class right wing though.
