England vs All Blacks
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Playing devil's advocate (naturally) was it even a ruck? No England players competed at any point.
Either way it was a great test and was worth the wait. Can't win a game if you can't win your own lineout ball.
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@margin_walker there is an English guy on the ground, see his head under refs hand and feet to the left of Lawes leg...he looks part of it?
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Yeah, he was the tackler. No one else went in that I could see
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@margin_walker but when he tackles the player you now have a ruck with 1 each there.
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Too late in the day to get my law book out, but I'm pretty sure that's just a tackle situation. Not a ruck. Need a defending player to actually compete for the ball in some way.
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@margin_walker well the next AB player in moments later causes it to be a ruck or if the English guy gains his feet to atack the ball, only need 2 for a ruck
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@stargazer said in England vs All Blacks:
Great find Gazer.
Puts all into perspective. Offside. Not even debatable.
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Needs at least one player from each team over the ball competing at some point iirc.
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@margin_walker said in England vs All Blacks:
Needs at least one player from each team over the ball competing at some point iirc.
For a ruck yes.
See tweets posted above by @Stargazer re offside at tackle.
Law of unintended consequence / karma.
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Good job someone's read the law book
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@margin_walker said in England vs All Blacks:
Good job someone's read the law book
Including Marius Jonkers
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@booboo when you re-watch it, was a 3 man tackle on Mounga, but one went down with him, 2 ABs quickly over the sole English player and Mounga on the ground...the English player on the ground actually creates a deeper off-side line for his players by wriggling out (he didnt look to be impeding the ball) had he not, Lawes would likely have been only marginally off with 'last mans feet' being pretty much foremost AB
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I get the English discontent though on that TMO call. The gap between Lawes being onside and offside was infinitely smaller than the gap between Perenara (and subsequent defensive efforts from Beauden) making a good play and shit play.
Kind of like a reverse Port Elizabeth 2011 game where the difference between the pass being forward and not was smaller than the distance by which the hometown TMO broke due process.
It is a risk referees like Garces run though. They swallow the whistle most of the game and let players push the boundaries if it does get tight in the last stanza you set yourself up for disaster. Players will be emboldened (in this case flaunting the offside line) and when a penalty is eventually called it is seen as out of character for the test.
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First thoughts before the fun of reading back through the match thread.
Well, that was squeaky bum time but you only have to be a point ahead to win the match. Also, we kicked a drop goal and that helped us win. Bahahaha.
Do the NH collectively have no idea how BBBR plays? The UK commentators consistently talked about how he's really good in the loose but how he was going so well in the set piece and tight. It was comical how he bitch slapped Itoje in the lineout though.
Underhill was getting big wraps for his defence, but I can't remember a player who goes off his feet as often as he does. If he gets to a ruck he basically takes himself out of the game.
For once this year Crotty had the impact when coming on that @Stargazer credits him with every match. Both him and SBW still look broken but he looks less broken (and like @mariner4life I'd prefer ALB coming on). Good to see Goodhue back and not looking like he's still crook.
Read's not in great form at the moment, time to bring in Whitelock ... hahaha, just kidding, even not in great form Read is still our best 8 and I'm confident he'll get back to near his best.
It was great how the AB'c came back close to half time, but man it took them ages to get going.
I nearly threw my coffee cup at the TV when England 'scored' at the end, but as NZR has the refs in our pocket I shouldn't have been worried.
Garces was not too random.
Why does WR allow a 9 to drag a ball out or a ruck yet still claim it to be in a ruck? It seems to be a NH trait but then even TJ started getting in on the act.
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@booboo said in England vs All Blacks:
@margin_walker said in England vs All Blacks:
Good job someone's read the law book
Including Marius Jonkers
I blame Brendan Venter
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not sure how Garces didnt see this though, stands out like a sore thumb.
It aint like he just got out of the blocks quick, he is just off side.
Pretty sure there were comments about how controversy may follow when Garces was appointed...
