Springboks V All Blacks
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@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
I think a telling indicator from the MoTM thread is Sam Whitelock has zero votes. In the absence of BBBR we have really needed him to stand up, but he has not risen to the occasion. Sam is a very very good lock, but jesus he's had a workload this year, the bloke looks like he needs a couple of months off.
Sam W was one of the few starters I considered giving my final vote for. I recall some nice clean kick-off receipts in the second half. But I skipped over him and handed all 3 to subs.
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@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
I think a telling indicator from the MoTM thread is Sam Whitelock has zero votes. In the absence of BBBR we have really needed him to stand up, but he has not risen to the occasion. Sam is a very very good lock, but jesus he's had a workload this year, the bloke looks like he needs a couple of months off.
Sam W was one of the few starters I considered giving my final vote for. I recall some nice clean kick-off receipts in the second half. But I skipped over him and handed all 3 to subs.
his restart work was really strong. He took control of the long ones, and claimed the contested short ones.
Didn't get much traction on their lineout for a change, despite it being a bit creaky in execution (some very lenient adjudicating of straight throws helped that, on both sides). But it's his carrying and ruck work that looks to have suffered the most.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Just watched the game. After almost 15 years on this site I should have realised that the hysterical posts and opinions here almost always have little resemblance to the actual game that is played.
Piss poor tackling and ball retention were the problem.
in that case i have no idea what this post means.
Where did I trivialise those aspects? I didn't. Quit while you're behind.
well try replying in more than one fucking sentence.
What. Does. Your. Post. Mean.
Why were people over-dramatising the performance in your opinion?
And for god's sake stop treating the forum like a game that has to be won.
I'm not responding to that. Stop acting like a cnut.
dude, seriously. I'm trying to get your opinion on the performance, and you just won't provide anything!
What more do you want ffs? Some shocking missed tackles led to tries and the ball security was terrible. Want me to go through it minute by minute? Seriously, what is your problem?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Just watched the game. After almost 15 years on this site I should have realised that the hysterical posts and opinions here almost always have little resemblance to the actual game that is played.
Piss poor tackling and ball retention were the problem.
in that case i have no idea what this post means.
Where did I trivialise those aspects? I didn't. Quit while you're behind.
well try replying in more than one fucking sentence.
What. Does. Your. Post. Mean.
Why were people over-dramatising the performance in your opinion?
And for god's sake stop treating the forum like a game that has to be won.
I'm not responding to that. Stop acting like a cnut.
dude, seriously. I'm trying to get your opinion on the performance, and you just won't provide anything!
What more do you want ffs? Some shocking missed tackles led to tries and the ball security was terrible. Want me to go through it minute by minute? Seriously, what is your problem?
forget it.
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@rancid-schnitzel amazing how the ball retention improved when Mo'unga went to 10 and BB went to 15.
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@kiwimurph said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel amazing how the ball retention improved when Mo'unga went to 10 and BB went to 15.
Yeah, instead of handing the ball to our washed up midfield he took the line on himself. Beauden should have done the same.
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@kiwimurph said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel amazing how the ball retention improved when Mo'unga went to 10 and BB went to 15.
That's a piss take surely? Unless of course you want to blame BB for forwards knocking on the ball or AS deliberately passing into an opposition player. Maybe blame him for the missed tackles as well?
My criticism of BB would be that those kicks just aren't working. They were shit for the Canes and now shit for the ABs. The chase seems non-existent as well. Clearly these must be the tactics, but if these can't be executed then should be changed.
The thing is these are vastly different points of a game. Defences are tired and it's a completely different dynamic. It's hard to know how BB will be at 10 after 50-60 minutes because he's always shifted to fullback.
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Surely the against the odds last 10 or so minutes doesn't just wipe away an hour of no phases and what looked like kick and hope? The space and passive defence they had when leroux iinjected and went wide was concerning.
That was some losing rugby for an hour or so.
Maybe it was tactical but that was as bad as we've played for a long time and looked a lot like a weak strategy or poor game plan communication.
Definitely needs addressing IMO, not just brushing away with tired or lack of first stringers
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@steven-harris I hope they go with Dalton. He has the most potential imo.
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Another configuration for our backline could be DMac at 15, BFA to 14. That could help Beauden as DMac could play a bit of first receiver, allowing Beauden to drift a bit wider where there is more space. Then Mo'unga on the bench to provide impact late in the game.
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I'd like to see them try that (it was my preferred 15 for the game).
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@no-quarter said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@kiwimurph said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel amazing how the ball retention improved when Mo'unga went to 10 and BB went to 15.
Yeah, instead of handing the ball to our washed up midfield he took the line on himself. Beauden should have done the same.
The added benefit of having a 10 who plays square to the defensive line and takes the defensive line on like Mo'unga does is that it actually helps your midfield (and the rest of your backline) as the defense can't just drift off your 10, knowing he's going stand passively and pass.....
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If he even does that - half the time he'll just kindly kick it over to your wings, even when his only chasers are a couple of carthorses.
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@gt12 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
If he even does that - half the time he'll just kindly kick it over to your wings, even when his only chasers are a couple of carthorses.
It looked like an ill-thought out gameplan, poorly executed to boot.
We need to find a way to exaggerate Beaudens strengths while covering any weaknesses, as he's not a tradional 10 by any stretch. I don't think the starting backline for this test really does that.
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@no-quarter said in Springboks V All Blacks:
We need to find a way to exaggerate Beaudens strengths while covering any weaknesses
more kick-passes to the touchie?
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@kiwimurph said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@no-quarter said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@kiwimurph said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel amazing how the ball retention improved when Mo'unga went to 10 and BB went to 15.
Yeah, instead of handing the ball to our washed up midfield he took the line on himself. Beauden should have done the same.
The added benefit of having a 10 who plays square to the defensive line and takes the defensive line on like Mo'unga does is that it actually helps your midfield (and the rest of your backline) as the defense can't just drift off your 10, knowing he's going stand passively and pass.....
Yeah, my comment was a little tounge-in-cheek, but at the moment we have a 10 whose obvious strength is running and we are not using it at all.
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@no-quarter said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Another configuration for our backline could be DMac at 15, BFA to 14. That could help Beauden as DMac could play a bit of first receiver, allowing Beauden to drift a bit wider where there is more space.
But they already have a game plan of moving our first five-eighth wide to have more room.
I can accept losing collisions, it happens and just because you put on a black jersey doesn't mean you win them all. What I want to know is if the game plan is necessitated by having some sort of parity or front foot ball to set up conditions in the final stanza? Or are they not adapting to the limited opportunities they have?
