Springboks V All Blacks

rotated

@chester-draws said in Springboks V All Blacks:

Once again, immediately after the game people forget what was said before it. The build up was about how important it was. It wasn't meant to be practice, but a dress rehearsal. The team selected didn't have any players rotated in for experience as a result.

The ABs set out to play their best game. They failed badly to do that.

Maybe they pushed the wrong buttons with this World Cup dress rehearsal charade. Usually coming off a loss they go into siege mentality and come out with a noticeably different attitude in the first 20 minutes which sets the tone for the test.

Even the 2nd Irish test following Chicago (with a similar gap between tests) while we did not dominate on the scoreboard the boys came out more physical than they had been in years.

Maybe it was the mental game prep this week, or maybe retirements and injuries just meant we didn't have the guys required to play that direct, all guns blazing style in the first 15.

TeWaio

Such a frustrating game for 70mins. SBW and Crotty look oooooold and tired (which considering they're both injured 80% of the time is saying something). Think Mounga looks class and a proper 10, I've never been in the BB-to-fullback camp until today. Thought Scott Barrett was good, he might solve our 6 problems when BBBR comes back, think he's better than Squire. And Ardie has really stepped up, I thought he wasn't tight enough for test footy and glad to be proven wrong.

Think our best 23 one year out from RWC is:

Moody
Codie/Coles
Franks
BBBR
Whitelock
S Barrett
Cane
Read
Smith
Mounga
Rieko
ALB
Goodhue
B Smith
B Barrett
Codie/Coles
Big Karl
Ofa T
Squire
Ardie
TJP
SBW/Crotty, whoever is fit
DMac

Salacious Crumb

@rotated said in Springboks V All Blacks:

Usually coming off a loss they go into siege mentality and come out with a noticeably different attitude in the first 20 minutes which sets the tone for the test.

“... a noticeably different altitude in the first 20 minutes which sets the tone for the test.”

Fixed it for you. Jetlag is a bitch too. A tournament contested entirely in Japan won’t offer the travel and altitude concerns the ABs saw this week. (Oh, and they were coming off a win, too, a win that secured them a championship.)

Crucial

I think that what we saw was a non full strength AB team (which it won't always be, so no excuses), find a way to overcome a team playing to the committed tactics that are supposedly the way to win when playing NZ.
Ferocious committed defence, Don't let NZ play with the ball, pin them back etc etc

We haven't perfected the solution just yet but it still worked. It basically comes down to absorbing as much as possible knowing that the fresh bench players will be much stronger. The opposition benches are not as strong and the starters simply cannot play at the required intensity for 80. We will overcome.

I just wish we didn't leave it until the last minute.

sparky

This should be the end of the road for Sonny Bill Williams as an All Black. He was very poor indeed in this game.

I'd rate Goodhue, Laumape, ALB, Crotty, Aso, Matt Procter, Rob Thompson, David Havili, Jordie Barrett and even a 36 year Maa Nonu as better bets as Midfield players for RWC 2019 ahead of him now.

Thanks for the memories, Sonny, now take your circus somewhere else.

Crucial

@sparky said in Springboks V All Blacks:

This should be the end of the road for Sonny Bill Williams as an All Black. He was very poor indeed in this game.

I'd rate Goodhue, Laumape, ALB, Crotty, Aso, Matt Procter, Rob Thompson, David Havili, Jordie Barrett and even a 36 year Maa Nonu as better bets as Midfield players for RWC 2019 ahead of him now.

Thanks for the memories, Sonny, now take your circus somewhere else.

Based on one game after a long injury layoff? Harsh.

I don't disagree that we have options that work better at 12 with BB at 10 but Id like to have seen him working off Mounga when the instruction to be more direct came.

ShadowTrooper

I'd just like to see Mo'unga start a test match at 10. I don't think we can afford to pussyfoot around the issue any longer. Mo'unga has shown the value of not only how to close out a tight game with precision kicking - but to get us on the front foot and down in the red zone in the first place and put us in a position where we can score, was in itself invaluable. I wouldn't bet the house on BB at 10 being able to do either of those things in a WC knockout game. Now BB at 15 however is another matter altogether...

sparky

@crucial He didn't contribute much against Argentina in BA either. Hard to think of the last test where SBW played well.

ShadowTrooper

@sparky Nice to see you back mate.
Think the best thing about SBW is that he gives us options. Yes its fair to say his best days are probably behind him, but he is a competitor at the highest level. He's tasted success at the highest level in different sports - he brings that edge with him, and for some of the younger, greener guys, it's good for them to have that kind of experience around them.

Steven Harris

With Sam Cane gone for the season,I can possibly see 3 candidates that stand out

Dylan Hunt
Blake Gibson
James Lentjes

But I would not be the least surprised If they went straight past these 3 and went for Dalton Papalii.

Toddy

@sparky said in Springboks V All Blacks:

@crucial He didn't contribute much against Argentina in BA either. Hard to think of the last test where SBW played well.

Against France this year.

Billy Tell

@sparky said in Springboks V All Blacks:

This should be the end of the road for Sonny Bill Williams as an All Black. He was very poor indeed in this game.

I'd rate Goodhue, Laumape, ALB, Crotty, Aso, Matt Procter, Rob Thompson, David Havili, Jordie Barrett and even a 36 year Maa Nonu as better bets as Midfield players for RWC 2019 ahead of him now.

Thanks for the memories, Sonny, now take your circus somewhere else.

This is when forums get stupid. You rate 3 uncapped midfielders, therefore entirely unproven, as better bets than SBW first game back from injury, and not yet entirely up to speed? You should ring talkback radio, or write a letter to Chris Rattue.

kiwiinmelb

His physicality will be missed against the likes of Ireland

allblacksfan72

@steven-harris Dillon hunt would be my choice definitely.

Rapido

I'm reminded a lot of Dublin 2016. Expecting a big focused response after a defeat against same opponent 2 weeks before and instead they were a bit shit.

In both they were playing that opponent away, so I'm expecting it to be a tough game. But I wasn't impressed with ABs in either of those games, got completely 'out-rugbyed' for 70-80% of each game.

Won both, though ..... so fair dues.

nzzp

@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:

I'm reminded a lot of Dublin 2016. Expecting a big focused response after a defeat against same opponent 2 weeks before and instead they were a bit shit.

In both they were playing that opponent away, so I'm expecting it to be a tough game. But I wasn't impressed with ABs in either of those games, got completely 'out-rugbyed' for 70-80% of each game.

Won both, though ..... so fair dues.

Yeah,

I can't help but feel like we were out-coached in some aspects in both games. Our tactics and decision making in Pretoria were awful. Aimless midfiedl bombs without anyone chasing hard made me yell at the TV. I reckon it was a tactic - can't see how you'd do that over and over again unless you were under instruction.

...and now I'm grumpy again.

Bovidae

@steven-harris said in Springboks V All Blacks:

With Sam Cane gone for the season,I can possibly see 3 candidates that stand out

Dylan Hunt
Blake Gibson
James Lentjes

But I would not be the least surprised If they went straight past these 3 and went for Dalton Papalii.

Papali'i is the obvious choice to me but Hunt had his foot in the door on the EOYT. Hansen's comments suggest they might select 3 opensides for the tour.

Cane's injury will impact the Chiefs as well so another no.7 will be needed with Boshier and Karpik.

Bones

@tewaio said in Springboks V All Blacks:

Such a frustrating game for 70mins. SBW and Crotty look oooooold and tired (which considering they're both injured 80% of the time is saying something). Think Mounga looks class and a proper 10, I've never been in the BB-to-fullback camp until today. Thought Scott Barrett was good, he might solve our 6 problems when BBBR comes back, think he's better than Squire. And Ardie has really stepped up, I thought he wasn't tight enough for test footy and glad to be proven wrong.

Think our best 23 one year out from RWC is:

Moody

Codie/Coles

Franks

BBBR

Whitelock

S Barrett

Cane

Read

Smith

Mounga

Rieko

ALB

Goodhue

B Smith

B Barrett

Codie/Coles

Big Karl

Ofa T

Squire

Ardie

TJP

SBW/Crotty, whoever is fit

DMac

How on earth can our best 23 be one that is completely experimental and never been seen before?

No Quarter

The biggest positive from this game and the Wellington game is that we completely dominated the last 10 - 15 minutes. That's where tests are won and lost - from an opposition POV I'd be pretty nervous about a gameplan that includes hanging on for dear life for the final stanza in the hope we won't score.

nzzp

@no-quarter said in Springboks V All Blacks:

The biggest positive from this game and the Wellington game is that we completely dominated the last 10 - 15 minutes. That's where tests are won and lost - from an opposition POV I'd be pretty nervous about a gameplan that includes hanging on for dear life for the final stanza in the hope we won't score.

Yep, and how far in front do you need to be? 17 points wasn't enough; 12 points with 6 to go (I think?) wasn't enough... Laura Aura is back baby

The Silver Fern

Springboks V All Blacks