All Blacks v Springboks
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@chester-draws said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@chester-draws said in All Blacks v Springboks:
It's a flawed plan IMO. It's really obvious, and so the counter is not hard to figure out. I really hope we move on from it before the RWC.
I'm guessing you've not noticed our win loss ratio for the last decade?
Our dropping ratio? Yeah, I noticed.
The current style not been our plan for "a decade". You don't get to use the Carter and Cruden periods to back up how good Beauden is.
We used to play fast, but we didn't use to take the risks we take now. We didn't leave every game to deep into the second half to wrap it up.
The old plan was better. Attack at all times, sure, but be prepared to take it in to contact if nothing was going on.
Have some set plays, if possession is not yielding points. Use strike weapons other than your 1st-5 in those plays.
Take easy kicks for penalties even at 40 metres out (like what made Donald a hero -- imagine if we had chosen to not take that kick --we'd likely have lost). That was seven years ago. I think the current team would lose that match.
The cross-field kicks were much rarer too. They're typical of the new scheme -- great if they come off, but often just a turn-over of possession.
The willingness to defend for long periods is starting to slide too. Journalists can get all excited about how defence no longer wins big games in the new AB paradigm, but they're wrong.
It's just one loss. We've lost before and we'll lose again. What i don't like is that we lost while sticking to our plan.
You have to wonder if you actually watched the ABs play prior to 2017. If you're having a cry now, God knows how you handled the late 90s and early 2000s, not to mention 2007-2009.
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If people are honest with themselves ... was anybody really that bothered by the loss?
I only managed to get the last 2o minutes live and I was tense as fark. Then as soon as DMac dropped it, I was remarkably sanguine ... in fact, I was almost happy for the Boks and their fans. The only bad thing about that loss was the FUCKING HERALD posting that "Owens mistake" shit pretty soon after.
Obviously jumped on by all and sundry outside NZ to build to the legend that is arrogant whinging All Black fans.
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@majorrage
Yeah I was at the game and was high fiving and hugging a bunch of awesome Bok fans who were nearby, most exciting and fun game I've seen from the AB's for ages. Prefer by a factor of a million to the previous one, the red card shite fest against France where I was actually bored. -
@bones a get off my lawn moment from curmudgeonly me, but I subscribe to distractions are ok if performance don't suffer, otherwise you're clogging up your focus with trivia
Well, that's my theory on getting cutesy after a haka and during a subbing, it better add to your performance
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@majorrage said in All Blacks v Springboks:
If people are honest with themselves ... was anybody really that bothered by the loss?
I only managed to get the last 2o minutes live and I was tense as fark. Then as soon as DMac dropped it, I was remarkably sanguine ... in fact, I was almost happy for the Boks and their fans. The only bad thing about that loss was the FUCKING HERALD posting that "Owens mistake" shit pretty soon after.
Obviously jumped on by all and sundry outside NZ to build to the legend that is arrogant whinging All Black fans.
My rapidly beating heart for the last 10 mins was enough fun to excuse the loss, not felt like that since 2015 and 2011
I do love that the default setting for a true AB fan is to immediately congratulate the winner following a loss, as exemplified here on the fern
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@siam huh? Why is it a distraction? To me it's just like shaking hands, or a pat on the back. I find it hard to say it's "getting cutesy" when these guys could well have grown up doing just that as part of everyday life. You're sounding like Phil Kearns finding it bizarre that there's Spanish spoken by Argentinians.
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@bones Cool, fair enough.
Not sure it's been part of everyday life as it's arguably the first time on an AB game and I think it was pre-rehearsed and has little upside to performance.
Happy to be proven wrong though, haven't lived in Hongi land for decades
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@siam said in All Blacks v Springboks:
@bones Cool, fair enough.
Not sure it's been part of everyday life as it's arguably the first time on an AB game and I think it was pre-rehearsed and has little upside to performance.
Happy to be proven wrong though, haven't lived in Hongi land for decades
Pretty sure I've seen it before, but I'm sure there's lots of other stuff the cameras don't always show.
Bit odd to say you're not sure it's part of their everyday lives.
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@majorrage As long as we don't lose in SA, then this might be a blessing in disguise. They will analyse the crap out of their mistakes in a way that they wouldn't have had they won. But if we lose in Pretoria, then SA gets the bragging rights this year plus a huge psychological edge leading up to the RWC, and the neutrals will have a field day of course.
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@majorrage don't like losing, never will be ok with it (in any game I follow or participate in) but was happy for SA and thier fans
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@majorrage said in All Blacks v Springboks:
If people are honest with themselves ... was anybody really that bothered by the loss?
I wasn't bothered myself and thought it was finally great to watch a TEST match.
That said, if the ABs were going to lose to SA this year I'd rather it have been in SA. It still might happen of course!
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@majorrage said in All Blacks v Springboks:
If people are honest with themselves ... was anybody really that bothered by the loss?
I only managed to get the last 2o minutes live and I was tense as fark. Then as soon as DMac dropped it, I was remarkably sanguine ... in fact, I was almost happy for the Boks and their fans. The only bad thing about that loss was the FUCKING HERALD posting that "Owens mistake" shit pretty soon after.
Obviously jumped on by all and sundry outside NZ to build to the legend that is arrogant whinging All Black fans.
Didn't hear it and don't care but I've heard it's pretty clear on the commentary feed.
You've got to stop worrying about the Poms and how they feel about us.
Let haterz be haterz.
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That was unexpected. I was at the AB v Boks game at Newlands last year and that was a thrilling match. One the Boks could've / should've won, except for the fact that the AB's just seem to have no clue how to lose, so when Francois Louw coughed up a simple ball with 2 minutes to play I fully expected this to be another close-but-no-cigar match. Fliiping delighted the defence held out though. A heroic loss is sometimes more gutting than getting smashed.
A couple of random thoughts from this Bok supporter.
On the plus side:
Good aggressive effort from especially the pack ensured that the AB's didn't always get the go-forward they have managed in the past.
Faf de Klerk is turning into a fabulous nuisance. He'd irritate the hell out of me if I he played against us.
Nice to see we can actually set up some running rugby tries.
Willie le Roux pitched up big time. Yellow card notwithstanding, one of his best games in the Bok jersey for quite some time.On the minus side:
Boks leaked 6 tries. As impressive as the defence was, especially in the last 20 min, that's still a lot of tries. Had Barrett kicked a touch better, this would be yet another loss for us.
We still don't have a convincing midfield combination. They are ok, but nothing that really asks questions of the defence.
Jessie Kriel... I am not a fan.On the realistic side:
The Boks had a good day and took pretty much every chance that came our way. The AB's made a few more mistakes than usual - whether caused by Bok pressure or simply being too used to having it all their own way I don't know - but the net result was a narrow win for the Boks. On current form , with current skill sets, the Boks remain a good few steps behind the AB's. While I am super chuffed with the result, this Bok team have a long way to go to consistently being a realistic challenger against the AB's. And I mean that in a really positive way. The team has made good strides under Rassie and there are some promising signs, but we are not close to being back towards the top of the rugby tree... yet.Thoroughly looking forward to the return game in Pretoria in 3 weeks time. I expect a hugely motivated and ruthless AB challenge up at one of their favourite SA grounds. The Boks will need to be at their best.
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@billy-webb I especially like that he appears to be just as entertaining when the camera switches to the coaches box as the last coach.
