Bledisloe II
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@shark said in Bledisloe II:
Plenty of people saw it in Nonu. The problem was he was a spare part from 2003 until after RWC 2007. As mentioned, he had serious competition for the 12 jersey when Mauger and McAlister were around - and prior to that, Tana also - but once he was given a few opportunities at 12 he flourished quickly and his game developed rapidly. I don't see that early level of flourishment or development in the 12 jersey at the top level in Laumape's game and therefore I don't see him kicking on.
What a load of crap. Laumape is only 2nd season Super Rugby if I’m not mistaken. Once again it’s flavour of the month to diss him. Tuipolotou and Saiili were extremely average ABs.
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@no-quarter said in Bledisloe II:
@kiwimurph said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter Agreed but with Hooper captain and being paid so many $ they are forced into starting him.
Yeah, it's a pretty ridiculous situation they've got themselves into there.
Holy hell Folau on $2.2m? Like fuck he's worth even half of that.
its incredible mismanagement
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@mariner4life The ridiculous thing is, if they want to re-sign Folau for the next few years, they may have to pay even more.
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@no-quarter said in Bledisloe II:
@kiwimurph said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter Agreed but with Hooper captain and being paid so many $ they are forced into starting him.
Yeah, it's a pretty ridiculous situation they've got themselves into there.
Holy hell Folau on $2.2m? Like fuck he's worth even half of that.
How can they justify paying him that much? That's more than 1 million more than his captain! No wonder he's in no hurry to return to League.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter said in Bledisloe II:
@kiwimurph said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter Agreed but with Hooper captain and being paid so many $ they are forced into starting him.
Yeah, it's a pretty ridiculous situation they've got themselves into there.
Holy hell Folau on $2.2m? Like fuck he's worth even half of that.
How can they justify paying him that much? That's more than 1 million more than his captain! No wonder he's in no hurry to return to League.
Easy - no one else gets the sort of media attention every time they're on Instagram. That's worth a motzah for the ARU!
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@billy-tell said in Bledisloe II:
@shark said in Bledisloe II:
Plenty of people saw it in Nonu. The problem was he was a spare part from 2003 until after RWC 2007. As mentioned, he had serious competition for the 12 jersey when Mauger and McAlister were around - and prior to that, Tana also - but once he was given a few opportunities at 12 he flourished quickly and his game developed rapidly. I don't see that early level of flourishment or development in the 12 jersey at the top level in Laumape's game and therefore I don't see him kicking on.
What a load of crap. Laumape is only 2nd season Super Rugby if I’m not mistaken. Once again it’s flavour of the month to diss him. Tuipolotou and Saiili were extremely average ABs.
Laumape has just finished his 3rd season of Super Rugby.
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kiwiinmelbreplied to Rancid Schnitzel on 21 Aug 2018, 04:21 last edited by kiwiinmelb 21 Aug 2018, 04:21
@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter said in Bledisloe II:
@kiwimurph said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter Agreed but with Hooper captain and being paid so many $ they are forced into starting him.
Yeah, it's a pretty ridiculous situation they've got themselves into there.
Holy hell Folau on $2.2m? Like fuck he's worth even half of that.
How can they justify paying him that much? That's more than 1 million more than his captain! No wonder he's in no hurry to return to League.
it shows how desperate they are , to us kiwis he is seen as a bit over rated ,
But to them he is their biggest star , someone to pin their hopes on
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Rancid Schnitzelreplied to kiwiinmelb on 21 Aug 2018, 04:31 last edited by Rancid Schnitzel 21 Aug 2018, 04:31
@kiwiinmelb said in Bledisloe II:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter said in Bledisloe II:
@kiwimurph said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter Agreed but with Hooper captain and being paid so many $ they are forced into starting him.
Yeah, it's a pretty ridiculous situation they've got themselves into there.
Holy hell Folau on $2.2m? Like fuck he's worth even half of that.
How can they justify paying him that much? That's more than 1 million more than his captain! No wonder he's in no hurry to return to League.
it shows how desperate they are , to us kiwis he is seen as a bit over rated ,
But to them he is their biggest star , someone to pin their hopes on
I think they're also desperate to get League eyeballs. Maybe Leagies will watch games for Folau like we used to watch league games just for Inga (well me anyway)? They've also got no other marketable players. James O'Connor had enormous potential but we know how that went... That kid must have lost millions.
But that salary is obscene. I can't see how they could possibly get a ROI from that.
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@kiwimurph said in Bledisloe II:
@billy-tell said in Bledisloe II:
@shark said in Bledisloe II:
Plenty of people saw it in Nonu. The problem was he was a spare part from 2003 until after RWC 2007. As mentioned, he had serious competition for the 12 jersey when Mauger and McAlister were around - and prior to that, Tana also - but once he was given a few opportunities at 12 he flourished quickly and his game developed rapidly. I don't see that early level of flourishment or development in the 12 jersey at the top level in Laumape's game and therefore I don't see him kicking on.
What a load of crap. Laumape is only 2nd season Super Rugby if I’m not mistaken. Once again it’s flavour of the month to diss him. Tuipolotou and Saiili were extremely average ABs.
Laumape has just finished his 3rd season of Super Rugby.
He was absolutely superb in his 2nd season, I was really hoping he'd build on that form and develop other parts of his game further, but it just hasn't happened. Has bucket-loads of potential though.
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Historically Aussie rugby players have always been paid more than ABs. I remember seeing a list back in the day that had Gregans wage and it was eye watering. Then there was the Medicare Matt, Lote and Hello deals.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe II:
Best I've ever seen. Even better than Horan imho. Absolute beast with ridiculous skillset.
Even better than Bernie McCahill?
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@dogmeat said in Bledisloe II:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe II:
Best I've ever seen. Even better than Horan imho. Absolute beast with ridiculous skillset.
Even better than Bernie McCahill?
He wasn't as big as him.
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So we're agreed this will be the backline:
9. A Smith
10. Beaudy
11. Naholo
12. SBW.
13. Goodhue.
14. B Smith
15. Jordie.Bench will be TJP, DMac, ALB.
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@antipodean said in Bledisloe II:
So we're agreed this will be the backline:
9. A Smith
10. Beaudy
11. Naholo
12. SBW.
13. Goodhue.
14. B Smith
15. Jordie.Bench will be TJP, DMac, ALB.
no
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substitute will for should then.
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only 1 Crusader - that is the inverse of an @ACT-Crusader backline.
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@bovidae said in Bledisloe II:
At least Ngani hasn't resorted to wearing mascara. We used to have fun calling him Ma'ascara.
Which was a bit silly as he didn’t wear mascara.
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@crucial said in Bledisloe II:
@bovidae said in Bledisloe II:
At least Ngani hasn't resorted to wearing mascara. We used to have fun calling him Ma'ascara.
Which was a bit silly as he didn’t wear mascara.
I don’t feel silly calling him that but I clearly lack your extensive knowledge of makeup and where it’s applied . What’s your preferred pronoun?
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@bones said in Bledisloe II:
@chester-draws said in Bledisloe II:
The Springboks regularly pick no true openside and seem to get away with it.
Really? Are you sure you're not just getting confused by their openside wearing 6? Louw is definitely an openside, where does van Staden usually play?
I didn't say always.
If there's a good big true openside, they'll play him. If there's a smaller one, Kwagga Smith, they'll happily play a body shape we would have at blindside.
I reckon Fifita would be told to go away and practice as openside in SA. He wouldn't come close to locking.
I think they're wrong, but it's how they mostly operate.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe II:
@kiwiinmelb said in Bledisloe II:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter said in Bledisloe II:
@kiwimurph said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter Agreed but with Hooper captain and being paid so many $ they are forced into starting him.
Yeah, it's a pretty ridiculous situation they've got themselves into there.
Holy hell Folau on $2.2m? Like fuck he's worth even half of that.
How can they justify paying him that much? That's more than 1 million more than his captain! No wonder he's in no hurry to return to League.
it shows how desperate they are , to us kiwis he is seen as a bit over rated ,
But to them he is their biggest star , someone to pin their hopes on
I think they're also desperate to get League eyeballs. Maybe Leagies will watch games for Folau like we used to watch league games just for Inga (well me anyway)? They've also got no other marketable players. James O'Connor had enormous potential but we know how that went... That kid must have lost millions.
But that salary is obscene. I can't see how they could possibly get a ROI from that.
just exposure in general , Folou is the main name in there that non rugby people have heard of ,
Also well known in AFL circles because of his money grab in that code , it was big news at the time .
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@chester-draws no you said regularly. I don't see it regularly at all. I wouldn't call Louw big either.
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Schalk Burger got 86 caps. He's quite a lot bigger than Liam Messam and about Liam Squire sized.
And some of their selections were less mobile than that.
They do seem in recent times to have accepted smaller men though. For a large size of "smaller".
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Insert Code Here ```@majorrage Don’t think it is a good comparison. Nonu had a bit more pace and size and as a winger and had the ability to beat someone Off either foot.. Laumape isn’t that subtle. Insert Code Here
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@chester-draws eh? Schalk was up against McCaw a lot and seemed remarkably similar in size. I'm sure I remarked on it at least once.
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@antipodean said in Bledisloe II:
So we're agreed this will be the backline:
9. A Smith
10. Beaudy
11. Naholo
12. SBW.
13. Goodhue.
14. B Smith
15. Jordie.Bench will be TJP, DMac, ALB.
SBW training with the team does not mean ready to play, see Dane Coles (who went to Ozzie with less than zero chance to play)
Replace SBW with Laumape is what I think will happen. But just a total guess, as always.
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EDIT: Ninja'd!
Probably a pointer that I'm talking arse again.
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@tim praise the lawd
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@antipodean said in Bledisloe II:
So we're agreed this will be the backline:
9. A Smith
10. Beaudy
11. Naholo
12. SBW.
13. Goodhue.
14. B Smith
15. Jordie.Bench will be TJP, DMac, ALB.
That's pretty much it except ALB starting and Laumape or SBW on the bench - don't think they'll rush SBW back in.
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Yeah my presumption is SBW is fit. If fit, they'll start him.
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taniwharugbyreplied to Rancid Schnitzel on 21 Aug 2018, 07:10 last edited by taniwharugby 21 Aug 2018, 07:10
@rancid-schnitzel maybe they pay him more cos they know Qantas aint gonna be giving him any endorsements...
@antipodean yep, if fit, we know they will start SBW.
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@no-quarter said in Bledisloe II:
Wallabies would be better to start Pocock and have Hooper on the bench to up the anti in the final 20. Like Ardie I don't think he's big/physical enough but could be effective against tired legs.
Looked to me that Hooper was more effective in taking the ball forward than Pocock and similar in defence.
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@tim @tim Defensively Aso has too much to work on at centre. As a Canes fan I'm very suprised Aso has been given a look before Proctor. For me Proctor is the most important cog in the Canes backline and it wasn't a coincidence that we turned to shit after he injured himself this year. Same thing happened in 2016, once Proctor injured himself we didn't look the same then either.
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@mikethesnow Pocock has always been a bit average at all facets bar his strength over the ball
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@mikethesnow said in Bledisloe II:
@no-quarter said in Bledisloe II:
Wallabies would be better to start Pocock and have Hooper on the bench to up the anti in the final 20. Like Ardie I don't think he's big/physical enough but could be effective against tired legs.
Looked to me that Hooper was more effective in taking the ball forward than Pocock and similar in defence.
If both are in the 23 then Pocock really has to start as I can't see him making much of an impact from the bench.
Both players are vastly overrated.
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