Chiefs 2019
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@Jailbreak7 said in Chiefs 2019:
the Saders and their fish heads always think outside the box. They always seem the most progressive to me.,
Remember reading years ago that they had sent a delegation to learn from the Dallas Cowboys how to run a professional sports team. If true that was very progressive. Having a really shit start to pro rugby may have actually helped the way they have run the show ever since (Blackadder years - and loyalty issues there - aside).
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@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
Really surprised there isn’t much more comment on Gatlands return.
For one it is obvious that Coops was shunted aside to make the deal happen.
Secondly I have a concern that Gats has been away from the NZ game for too long. Sure he will add some new stuff in but part of the overall AB strength is a consistency through grades and levels. I don’t really see him adding any innovative stuff to our game.
The messy year in/year out/back again situation. Would hope he has some strong assistants lined up to make this work. Even then it is disruptive.
Is this the end of the Chiefs setup as created by Rennie and continued by Cooper? I don’t really see Garland in the same vein.what? no, actually, what?
The strength of NZ rugby is the continued production line of shit coaches that we have at Super level? Of which Cooper is one given the Chiefs play for the vast majority of the year. We get a guy back with a plethora of experience in different environments, and success to back that up, and it's a bad thing? Really?
I’m just raising some of the things that came to mind.
Name me a coach that has entered nz rugby after that long overseas and done well? It’s a fair question
Coming for a year, fucking off, coming back again. You’re happy with that?I’m not unhappy about his appointment just surprised that the general tone seems to be ”cool, whatever”
Because cooper was shit. And the other alternatives are not much better.
Henry and Hanson instantly spring to mind. Who are the coaches you think we should be looking to for comparison?
Kirwan
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@booboo said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
Really surprised there isn’t much more comment on Gatlands return.
For one it is obvious that Coops was shunted aside to make the deal happen.
Secondly I have a concern that Gats has been away from the NZ game for too long. Sure he will add some new stuff in but part of the overall AB strength is a consistency through grades and levels. I don’t really see him adding any innovative stuff to our game.
The messy year in/year out/back again situation. Would hope he has some strong assistants lined up to make this work. Even then it is disruptive.
Is this the end of the Chiefs setup as created by Rennie and continued by Cooper? I don’t really see Garland in the same vein.what? no, actually, what?
The strength of NZ rugby is the continued production line of shit coaches that we have at Super level? Of which Cooper is one given the Chiefs play for the vast majority of the year. We get a guy back with a plethora of experience in different environments, and success to back that up, and it's a bad thing? Really?
I’m just raising some of the things that came to mind.
Name me a coach that has entered nz rugby after that long overseas and done well? It’s a fair question
Coming for a year, fucking off, coming back again. You’re happy with that?I’m not unhappy about his appointment just surprised that the general tone seems to be ”cool, whatever”
Because cooper was shit. And the other alternatives are not much better.
Henry and Hanson instantly spring to mind. Who are the coaches you think we should be looking to for comparison?
Kirwan
I was thinking Tana...
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From what I have read and heard Gatland is the ultimate player manager, much in the same mould as Hansen. I think the good coaches realise upstairs is where the gains are. The good coaches figure out how to get the players to believe and deliver their potential. At the end of the day its 22 v 22, there often isn't a great deal of difference in skill but the team which gels and believes in the coach etc often do better.
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@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@booboo said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
Really surprised there isn’t much more comment on Gatlands return.
For one it is obvious that Coops was shunted aside to make the deal happen.
Secondly I have a concern that Gats has been away from the NZ game for too long. Sure he will add some new stuff in but part of the overall AB strength is a consistency through grades and levels. I don’t really see him adding any innovative stuff to our game.
The messy year in/year out/back again situation. Would hope he has some strong assistants lined up to make this work. Even then it is disruptive.
Is this the end of the Chiefs setup as created by Rennie and continued by Cooper? I don’t really see Garland in the same vein.what? no, actually, what?
The strength of NZ rugby is the continued production line of shit coaches that we have at Super level? Of which Cooper is one given the Chiefs play for the vast majority of the year. We get a guy back with a plethora of experience in different environments, and success to back that up, and it's a bad thing? Really?
I’m just raising some of the things that came to mind.
Name me a coach that has entered nz rugby after that long overseas and done well? It’s a fair question
Coming for a year, fucking off, coming back again. You’re happy with that?I’m not unhappy about his appointment just surprised that the general tone seems to be ”cool, whatever”
Because cooper was shit. And the other alternatives are not much better.
Henry and Hanson instantly spring to mind. Who are the coaches you think we should be looking to for comparison?
Kirwan
I was thinking Tana...
You are both bar stewards. I wish that you had Hammett and Philpott.
Gatland will probably be good.
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@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs 2019:
@Snowy Ironically the Dallas Cowboys have been mediocre at best since rugby went pro in 96.
For reasons of bad management and an egotistical interfering owner. Great model.
And everyone goes to the states at some point to get a look at their systems. That stopped being innovative 20 years ago.
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This article summarises the current situation.
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@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
That stopped being innovative 20 years ago.
About when they did it, before the egotistical interfering owner.
Edit - a few years after Jones but before they became really shit.
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@Hooroo Not even joking I wouldn't mind if that did happen. I don't want him at the Blues tbh we have other areas to address instead of signing Barrett.
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@African-Monkey Potentially 2 years down the line at 31 history tells us he won't be the same player.
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2019 Chiefs U18 Squad
Forwards
Tuterangi Anderson Prop (New Plymouth BHS)
Josh Bartlett Prop (Tauranga BC)
Hemopo Cunningham Lock (Rotorua BHS)
Matthew Dobbyn Hooker (Hamilton BHS)
Viaolini Ekunasi Loosie (St Peters School, Cambridge)
Winston Folau Blind Side (Wesley College)
Melino Fotu No.8 (Tauranga BC)
Vincent Green Prop (Hamilton BHS)
Bernie Hati Hooker (Rotorua BHS)
Josh Hopkins Open Side (Francis Douglas MC)
Piri Kiwi Prop (Hamilton BHS)
Mairenga Laapo Prop (Francis Douglas MC)
AJ Lagalaga-Slade Blind Side (St Peters School, Cambridge)
Veveni Lasaqa Open Side (Tauranga BC)
Stuart Leach Blind Side (Rotorua BHS)
Junior Lemalu Lock (Wesley College)
Kayden Luke Blind Side (Francis Douglas MC)
Heath MacEwan Blind Side (Hamilton BHS)
Thor Manase Open Side (Wesley College)
Havila Moala Prop (St Paul’s Collegiate)
Thomas Edwards-Murray No.8 (New Plymouth BHS)
Joeli Niumataiwaiu Lock (Hamilton BHS)
Curtis Palmer Lock (Tauranga BC)
Josiah Pokai Hooker (New Plymouth BHS)
Te Rama Reuben Blind Side (St Kentigern College)
Hakaria Richards-Coxhead Prop (Hamilton BHS)
Rowan Slater Lock (New Plymouth BHS)
Haruto Takahashi Prop (Rotorua BHS)
Kaharoa Takuira-Mita Prop (Tauranga BC)
Oliver Tooma (Taupo)
Mason Tupaea Prop (Hamilton BHS)
Luke White Lock (Hamilton BHS)Backs
Lucas Cashmore 1st 5/8 (Tauranga BC)
Tepaea Cook-Savage Half Back (St Paul’s Collegiate)
Te Hemara Gardiner-Toi (Rotorua BHS)
Will Guthrie Center (New Plymouth BHS)
Creedence Harrison 1st 5/8 (Hamilton BHS)
Tyron Hilton Winger (Hamilton BHS)
Noah Hotham Half Back (Hamilton BHS)
Ceiza James Fullback (Rotorua BHS)
Carlos Karaitiana 2nd 5/8 (Rotorua BHS)
Guy Lansdown Center (Hamilton BHS)
Mason Milham Fullback (New Plymouth BHS)
Blair Murray Fullback (New Plymouth BHS)
Kane O’Connor Half Back (Rotorua BHS)
Tevita Ofa Winger (Wesley College)
Manu Paea Center/Half Back (Rotorua BHS)
Jack Parker 1st 5/8 (New Plymouth BHS)
Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens 1st 5/8 (Francis Douglas MC)
Jesse Te Kani 1st 5/8/Fullback (Wesley College)
Quinnlan Tupou 2nd 5/8 (St Peters School, Cambridge)
Hausia Vea 2nd 5/8 (St John’s College Hamilton)
Te Aonui Wharawhara Muriwai Winger (Hamilton BHS)
Gideon Wrampling Center (St Paul’s Collegiate)The following players areon stand by:
Jake Winchcombe (Hamilton BHS)
Te Aruhei Epapara (Rotorua BHS)
Ned Pene (Hamilton BHS)
Danyon Brunton (Hamilton BHS)
George Burkitt (New Plymouth BHS)
Ethan Seed (Francis Douglas MC)
Dawson Smith (St Peters School, Cambridge)
Luke Ale (Hamilton BHS)
Levi Rewiti (New Plymouth BHS)
Jone Rova (New Plymouth BHS)
Matua Robinson (New Plymouth BHS)
Manu Akuaola (Rotorua BHS)
Emanuel Paupau (Manurewa HS) -
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@Higgins I assume this is indeed the group for the annual training camp. The Hurricanes and Crusaders have also named a very big group and will also hold camps, culminating in a couple of games. Unfortunately, only the Crusaders have published all the details of their U18 games.
Crusaders U18 v Chiefs U18
Saturday 13 July 2019
Kick-off 12.30pm
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@Stargazer said in Chiefs 2019:
2019 Chiefs U18 Squad
Where's the St Paul's 2nd 5 Temple Beauchamp? He looks as good as any midfielder I've seen in Chiefs country this year.
Maybe he has been poached by another franchise. A pity if true.
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Team Messam and Team Clarke have been selected from the University of Waikato Chiefs
Under 18 Development squad to match up against the Crusaders and Blues Under 18 sides this Saturday, 13 July.Team Messam will make the trip south to Blenheim to take on the Crusaders Under 18’s at Lansdowne Park. While Team Clarke will host the Blues Under 18’s at St Paul’s Collegiate. Both games will kick off at 12.30pm.
Chiefs Rugby Club talent development manager Kent Currie said the players have continued to develop across the week and are excited for the opportunity to represent the Chiefs Rugby Club this Saturday.
“The squad have had an excellent week of learning. They have been put through their paces both on and off the field and it is great to see them excelling in their development.
“There is plenty of excitement among the teams ahead of this weekend’s hit out against the Crusaders and Blues. It is expected both teams will experience tightly contested games allowing them the opportunity to implement what they have learnt this week,” said Currie.
Currie finished, “We wish both teams’ the best of luck and know they will proudly represent the Chiefs region.”
Team Messam:
- Vincent Green (Hamilton Boys’ High School)
- Bernie Hati (Rotorua Boys’ High School)
- Hakaria Richards Coxhead (Hamilton Boys’ High School)
- AJ Lagalaga (St Peter's School)
- Hemopo Cunningham (Rotorua Boys’ High School)
- Thomas Murray Edwards (New Plymouth Boys’ High School)
- Stuart Leach (Rotorua Boys’ High School)
- Viaolini Ekunasi (St Peter's School)
- Manu Paea (Rotorua Boys’ High School)
- Jack Parker (New Plymouth Boys’ High School)
- Will Guthrie (New Plymouth Boys’ High School)
- Jacob Kneepkens (Francis Douglas Memorial College)
- Carlos Karaitiana (Rotorua Boys’ High School)
- Guy Lansdown (Hamilton Boys’ High School)
- Te Paea Cook Savage (St Paul's Collegiate)
Reserves:
16. Josh Bartlett (Tauranga Boys’ College)
17. Matthew Dobbyn (Hamilton Boys’ High School)
18. Kaharoa Mita (Tauranga Boys’ College)
19. Nikora Broughten
20. Veveni Lasaqa (Tauranga Boys’ College)
21. Noah Hotham (Hamilton Boys’ High School)
22. Tyron Hilton (Hamilton Boys’ High School)
23. Ceiza James (Rotorua Boy’s High School)
24. Thor Manase (Wesley College)Team Clarke:
- Haruto Takahashi (Rotorua BHS)
- JJ Pokai (New Plymouth BHS)
- Havila Molia (St Paul's Collegiate)
- Kadyn Luke (Francis Douglas MC)
- Junior Lemalu (Wesley College)
- Ned Pene (Hamilton BHS)
- Josh Hopkins (Francis Douglas MC)
- Melino Fotu (Tauranga BC)
- Ben Strang (St Paul's Collegiate)
- Lucas Cashmore (Tauranga BC)
- Te Hamara Gardiner Toi (Rotorua BHS)
- Quinnlan Tupou (St Peters School)
- Hausia Vea (St John's College)
- Manu Akuaola (Rotorua BHS)
- Tevita Ofa (Wesley College)
Reserves:
16. Mason Tupaea (Hamilton BHS)
17. Piri Kiwi (Hamilton BHS)
18. Mairenga Laapo (Francis Douglas MC)
19. Tuterangi Anderson (New Pymouth BHS)
20. Oliver Tooma (Taupo)
21. Winston Folau (Wesley College)
22. TBC
23. Te Aonui Muriwai (Hamilton BHS)
24. Niwa Barlow (New Plymouth BHS)
25. Jesse Te Kani (Wesley College)
26. Junta Humano (Rotorua BHS)Match details:
Saturday 13th July 2019
Team Messam vs Crusaders U18 at Lansdowne Park, Blenheim 12.30pm
Team Clarke vs Blues U18 at St Paul’s Collegiate, Hamilton 12.30pm -
