Chiefs 2019
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@Jailbreak7
No disrespect to O'Gara who seems to have made a positive contribution but he joined a winning team and is now off to France and possibly elsewhere with NZ rugby IP. Whereas Gats is a hometown hero who will bring his vast experience back into NZ rugby. -
Hard to really gauge the contribution of O'Gara. He certainly hasn't wet the bed and has at least maintained standards. But he was really serving an apprenticeship.
I have read though that he did bring a few NH defensive systems south with him though.
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@Jailbreak7 said in Chiefs 2019:
I like the way the Saders and their fish heads always think outside the box. They always seem the most progressive to me., and it spills over into their players coaches, back room staff etc. No-one else would have entertained the idea of O'Gara I;ll wager, but he has been very good for the team. shame to see him go.
Well that's plainly not always true, there was nothing progressive about the Blackadder era and the proliferation of ex player coaches have been ultra bog standard aside from Robertson (who actually worked his way up from grassroots).
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@Jailbreak7 said in Chiefs 2019:
the Saders and their fish heads always think outside the box. They always seem the most progressive to me.,
Remember reading years ago that they had sent a delegation to learn from the Dallas Cowboys how to run a professional sports team. If true that was very progressive. Having a really shit start to pro rugby may have actually helped the way they have run the show ever since (Blackadder years - and loyalty issues there - aside).
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@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
Really surprised there isn’t much more comment on Gatlands return.
For one it is obvious that Coops was shunted aside to make the deal happen.
Secondly I have a concern that Gats has been away from the NZ game for too long. Sure he will add some new stuff in but part of the overall AB strength is a consistency through grades and levels. I don’t really see him adding any innovative stuff to our game.
The messy year in/year out/back again situation. Would hope he has some strong assistants lined up to make this work. Even then it is disruptive.
Is this the end of the Chiefs setup as created by Rennie and continued by Cooper? I don’t really see Garland in the same vein.what? no, actually, what?
The strength of NZ rugby is the continued production line of shit coaches that we have at Super level? Of which Cooper is one given the Chiefs play for the vast majority of the year. We get a guy back with a plethora of experience in different environments, and success to back that up, and it's a bad thing? Really?
I’m just raising some of the things that came to mind.
Name me a coach that has entered nz rugby after that long overseas and done well? It’s a fair question
Coming for a year, fucking off, coming back again. You’re happy with that?I’m not unhappy about his appointment just surprised that the general tone seems to be ”cool, whatever”
Because cooper was shit. And the other alternatives are not much better.
Henry and Hanson instantly spring to mind. Who are the coaches you think we should be looking to for comparison?
Kirwan
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@booboo said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
Really surprised there isn’t much more comment on Gatlands return.
For one it is obvious that Coops was shunted aside to make the deal happen.
Secondly I have a concern that Gats has been away from the NZ game for too long. Sure he will add some new stuff in but part of the overall AB strength is a consistency through grades and levels. I don’t really see him adding any innovative stuff to our game.
The messy year in/year out/back again situation. Would hope he has some strong assistants lined up to make this work. Even then it is disruptive.
Is this the end of the Chiefs setup as created by Rennie and continued by Cooper? I don’t really see Garland in the same vein.what? no, actually, what?
The strength of NZ rugby is the continued production line of shit coaches that we have at Super level? Of which Cooper is one given the Chiefs play for the vast majority of the year. We get a guy back with a plethora of experience in different environments, and success to back that up, and it's a bad thing? Really?
I’m just raising some of the things that came to mind.
Name me a coach that has entered nz rugby after that long overseas and done well? It’s a fair question
Coming for a year, fucking off, coming back again. You’re happy with that?I’m not unhappy about his appointment just surprised that the general tone seems to be ”cool, whatever”
Because cooper was shit. And the other alternatives are not much better.
Henry and Hanson instantly spring to mind. Who are the coaches you think we should be looking to for comparison?
Kirwan
I was thinking Tana...
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From what I have read and heard Gatland is the ultimate player manager, much in the same mould as Hansen. I think the good coaches realise upstairs is where the gains are. The good coaches figure out how to get the players to believe and deliver their potential. At the end of the day its 22 v 22, there often isn't a great deal of difference in skill but the team which gels and believes in the coach etc often do better.
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@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@booboo said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
@Crucial said in Chiefs 2019:
Really surprised there isn’t much more comment on Gatlands return.
For one it is obvious that Coops was shunted aside to make the deal happen.
Secondly I have a concern that Gats has been away from the NZ game for too long. Sure he will add some new stuff in but part of the overall AB strength is a consistency through grades and levels. I don’t really see him adding any innovative stuff to our game.
The messy year in/year out/back again situation. Would hope he has some strong assistants lined up to make this work. Even then it is disruptive.
Is this the end of the Chiefs setup as created by Rennie and continued by Cooper? I don’t really see Garland in the same vein.what? no, actually, what?
The strength of NZ rugby is the continued production line of shit coaches that we have at Super level? Of which Cooper is one given the Chiefs play for the vast majority of the year. We get a guy back with a plethora of experience in different environments, and success to back that up, and it's a bad thing? Really?
I’m just raising some of the things that came to mind.
Name me a coach that has entered nz rugby after that long overseas and done well? It’s a fair question
Coming for a year, fucking off, coming back again. You’re happy with that?I’m not unhappy about his appointment just surprised that the general tone seems to be ”cool, whatever”
Because cooper was shit. And the other alternatives are not much better.
Henry and Hanson instantly spring to mind. Who are the coaches you think we should be looking to for comparison?
Kirwan
I was thinking Tana...
You are both bar stewards. I wish that you had Hammett and Philpott.
Gatland will probably be good.
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@KiwiMurph said in Chiefs 2019:
@Snowy Ironically the Dallas Cowboys have been mediocre at best since rugby went pro in 96.
For reasons of bad management and an egotistical interfering owner. Great model.
And everyone goes to the states at some point to get a look at their systems. That stopped being innovative 20 years ago.
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This article summarises the current situation.
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@mariner4life said in Chiefs 2019:
That stopped being innovative 20 years ago.
About when they did it, before the egotistical interfering owner.
Edit - a few years after Jones but before they became really shit.
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@Hooroo Not even joking I wouldn't mind if that did happen. I don't want him at the Blues tbh we have other areas to address instead of signing Barrett.
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@African-Monkey Potentially 2 years down the line at 31 history tells us he won't be the same player.
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2019 Chiefs U18 Squad
Forwards
Tuterangi Anderson Prop (New Plymouth BHS)
Josh Bartlett Prop (Tauranga BC)
Hemopo Cunningham Lock (Rotorua BHS)
Matthew Dobbyn Hooker (Hamilton BHS)
Viaolini Ekunasi Loosie (St Peters School, Cambridge)
Winston Folau Blind Side (Wesley College)
Melino Fotu No.8 (Tauranga BC)
Vincent Green Prop (Hamilton BHS)
Bernie Hati Hooker (Rotorua BHS)
Josh Hopkins Open Side (Francis Douglas MC)
Piri Kiwi Prop (Hamilton BHS)
Mairenga Laapo Prop (Francis Douglas MC)
AJ Lagalaga-Slade Blind Side (St Peters School, Cambridge)
Veveni Lasaqa Open Side (Tauranga BC)
Stuart Leach Blind Side (Rotorua BHS)
Junior Lemalu Lock (Wesley College)
Kayden Luke Blind Side (Francis Douglas MC)
Heath MacEwan Blind Side (Hamilton BHS)
Thor Manase Open Side (Wesley College)
Havila Moala Prop (St Paul’s Collegiate)
Thomas Edwards-Murray No.8 (New Plymouth BHS)
Joeli Niumataiwaiu Lock (Hamilton BHS)
Curtis Palmer Lock (Tauranga BC)
Josiah Pokai Hooker (New Plymouth BHS)
Te Rama Reuben Blind Side (St Kentigern College)
Hakaria Richards-Coxhead Prop (Hamilton BHS)
Rowan Slater Lock (New Plymouth BHS)
Haruto Takahashi Prop (Rotorua BHS)
Kaharoa Takuira-Mita Prop (Tauranga BC)
Oliver Tooma (Taupo)
Mason Tupaea Prop (Hamilton BHS)
Luke White Lock (Hamilton BHS)Backs
Lucas Cashmore 1st 5/8 (Tauranga BC)
Tepaea Cook-Savage Half Back (St Paul’s Collegiate)
Te Hemara Gardiner-Toi (Rotorua BHS)
Will Guthrie Center (New Plymouth BHS)
Creedence Harrison 1st 5/8 (Hamilton BHS)
Tyron Hilton Winger (Hamilton BHS)
Noah Hotham Half Back (Hamilton BHS)
Ceiza James Fullback (Rotorua BHS)
Carlos Karaitiana 2nd 5/8 (Rotorua BHS)
Guy Lansdown Center (Hamilton BHS)
Mason Milham Fullback (New Plymouth BHS)
Blair Murray Fullback (New Plymouth BHS)
Kane O’Connor Half Back (Rotorua BHS)
Tevita Ofa Winger (Wesley College)
Manu Paea Center/Half Back (Rotorua BHS)
Jack Parker 1st 5/8 (New Plymouth BHS)
Jacob Ratumaitavuki-Kneepkens 1st 5/8 (Francis Douglas MC)
Jesse Te Kani 1st 5/8/Fullback (Wesley College)
Quinnlan Tupou 2nd 5/8 (St Peters School, Cambridge)
Hausia Vea 2nd 5/8 (St John’s College Hamilton)
Te Aonui Wharawhara Muriwai Winger (Hamilton BHS)
Gideon Wrampling Center (St Paul’s Collegiate)The following players areon stand by:
Jake Winchcombe (Hamilton BHS)
Te Aruhei Epapara (Rotorua BHS)
Ned Pene (Hamilton BHS)
Danyon Brunton (Hamilton BHS)
George Burkitt (New Plymouth BHS)
Ethan Seed (Francis Douglas MC)
Dawson Smith (St Peters School, Cambridge)
Luke Ale (Hamilton BHS)
Levi Rewiti (New Plymouth BHS)
Jone Rova (New Plymouth BHS)
Matua Robinson (New Plymouth BHS)
Manu Akuaola (Rotorua BHS)
Emanuel Paupau (Manurewa HS) -
