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@MajorRage said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
Whilst there's an element of truth that Wales has fallen to WC SF status and needs an influx of overseas born players to bolster our chances of actually making a Final, the real reason is the concurrent playing of Pro 14 matches during the Autumn Internationals and 6N.
Fallen?
It's their peak.
I think Mike is referring to misguided optimism. That has now fallen.
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@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MajorRage said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
Whilst there's an element of truth that Wales has fallen to WC SF status and needs an influx of overseas born players to bolster our chances of actually making a Final, the real reason is the concurrent playing of Pro 14 matches during the Autumn Internationals and 6N.
Fallen?
It's their peak.
I think Mike is referring to misguided optimism. That has now fallen.
I was being sarcastic in reference to the Tier 2 quip.
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@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MajorRage said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
Whilst there's an element of truth that Wales has fallen to WC SF status and needs an influx of overseas born players to bolster our chances of actually making a Final, the real reason is the concurrent playing of Pro 14 matches during the Autumn Internationals and 6N.
Fallen?
It's their peak.
I think Mike is referring to misguided optimism. That has now fallen.
I was being sarcastic in reference to the Tier 2 quip.
What's the point? You're on a Kiwi website.
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@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MajorRage said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
Whilst there's an element of truth that Wales has fallen to WC SF status and needs an influx of overseas born players to bolster our chances of actually making a Final, the real reason is the concurrent playing of Pro 14 matches during the Autumn Internationals and 6N.
Fallen?
It's their peak.
I think Mike is referring to misguided optimism. That has now fallen.
I was being sarcastic in reference to the Tier 2 quip.
What's the point? You're on a Kiwi website.
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@gt12 said in NH International Rugby:
Every rugby fan I met at the WC agreed that players who move as professional rugby players should have even stricter rules applied by meeting residency plus some other criteria or combination of criteria such as being married to a local, having a child with the local passport, gaining a passport for said country, buying and owning property for a certain amount of time. It’s mad that professionals, moving simply for professional reasons, are treated the same way as (for example) 13 year olds who are moved by their parents.
I think the simple rule would - and should be - if you are a citizen, you are entitled to play. For those qualifying for citizenship by descent, there's a clear connection to the country. For those who do the time to qualify for citizenship, again, there's a clear connection and commitment to the country.
EDIT: I realise this might be a bit awkward for some Wallaby players, who've lived most of their lives in Aus as permanent residents c/o their Kiwi citizenship - I recall Quade actually became an Aus citizen years after his debut and only so he play in the Rio 7s!
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@Wurzel said in NH International Rugby:
But citizenship can be escalated by national governments. You only need to look at the amount of Brazilians playing for oil rich Middle Eastern nations. Likewise those same nations dish out citizenships to East African runners ahead of Olympic Games.
Yeah citizenship is much worse. It should never be the only pre-requisite. Maybe 5 years/parents (ditch the grandprents) + citizenship
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Citizenship still creates a lot of inequalities, even if you combine it with 5 years residence, because in some countries it's is very difficult to get citizenship (the opposite of @Wurzel's example) and some countries allow dual citizenship and others don't. There are also countries that don't allow their people to lose their citizenship, even if it's to obtain another one.
IMO, 5 years residence is enough. I wouldn't ditch the grandparents rule, because that would hurt PI nations.
Anyway, I'm sure there have been more possible ideas/solutions/variations in the eligibility thread.
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@Machpants said in NH International Rugby:
I thought it was 5 years now, have they been over there for 5? Or are they the last of the 3 yearers?
They're among the last of the 3-yearers.
There isn't much November rugby this year, so maybe some others (like James Lowe) who just beat the deadline when they moved. But no November internationals so not picked yet.
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@junior said in NH International Rugby:
@gt12 said in NH International Rugby:
Every rugby fan I met at the WC agreed that players who move as professional rugby players should have even stricter rules applied by meeting residency plus some other criteria or combination of criteria such as being married to a local, having a child with the local passport, gaining a passport for said country, buying and owning property for a certain amount of time. It’s mad that professionals, moving simply for professional reasons, are treated the same way as (for example) 13 year olds who are moved by their parents.
I think the simple rule would - and should be - if you are a citizen, you are entitled to play. For those qualifying for citizenship by descent, there's a clear connection to the country. For those who do the time to qualify for citizenship, again, there's a clear connection and commitment to the country.
EDIT: I realise this might be a bit awkward for some Wallaby players, who've lived most of their lives in Aus as permanent residents c/o their Kiwi citizenship - I recall Quade actually became an Aus citizen years after his debut and only so he play in the Rio 7s!
It would be a good way to highlight the shitty way Australian Government treat some of their people.
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@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
@Catogrande said in NH International Rugby:
@MajorRage said in NH International Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in NH International Rugby:
Whilst there's an element of truth that Wales has fallen to WC SF status and needs an influx of overseas born players to bolster our chances of actually making a Final, the real reason is the concurrent playing of Pro 14 matches during the Autumn Internationals and 6N.
Fallen?
It's their peak.
I think Mike is referring to misguided optimism. That has now fallen.
I was being sarcastic in reference to the Tier 2 quip.
What's the point? You're on a Kiwi website.
Sarcasm, not irony
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@junior said in NH International Rugby:
@gt12 said in NH International Rugby:
Every rugby fan I met at the WC agreed that players who move as professional rugby players should have even stricter rules applied by meeting residency plus some other criteria or combination of criteria such as being married to a local, having a child with the local passport, gaining a passport for said country, buying and owning property for a certain amount of time. It’s mad that professionals, moving simply for professional reasons, are treated the same way as (for example) 13 year olds who are moved by their parents.
I think the simple rule would - and should be - if you are a citizen, you are entitled to play. For those qualifying for citizenship by descent, there's a clear connection to the country. For those who do the time to qualify for citizenship, again, there's a clear connection and commitment to the country.
EDIT: I realise this might be a bit awkward for some Wallaby players, who've lived most of their lives in Aus as permanent residents c/o their Kiwi citizenship - I recall Quade actually became an Aus citizen years after his debut and only so he play in the Rio 7s!
Citizenship isn't always an ethical process in some countries. Although I like the idea of needing citizenship as a minimum, on top of the other residential/parental criteria.
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@Wurzel said in NH International Rugby:
But citizenship can be escalated by national governments. You only need to look at the amount of Brazilians playing for oil rich Middle Eastern nations. Likewise those same nations dish out citizenships to East African runners ahead of Olympic Games.
This. Did a booboo. Read. The. Thread.
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@Wurzel said in NH International Rugby:
But citizenship can be escalated by national governments. You only need to look at the amount of Brazilians playing for oil rich Middle Eastern nations. Likewise those same nations dish out citizenships to East African runners ahead of Olympic Games.
Yeah I’m not sure someone like Bojo would be expediting the citizenship of bunch of Fijians just to bolster the English rugby team
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@booboo said in NH International Rugby:
@junior said in NH International Rugby:
@gt12 said in NH International Rugby:
Every rugby fan I met at the WC agreed that players who move as professional rugby players should have even stricter rules applied by meeting residency plus some other criteria or combination of criteria such as being married to a local, having a child with the local passport, gaining a passport for said country, buying and owning property for a certain amount of time. It’s mad that professionals, moving simply for professional reasons, are treated the same way as (for example) 13 year olds who are moved by their parents.
I think the simple rule would - and should be - if you are a citizen, you are entitled to play. For those qualifying for citizenship by descent, there's a clear connection to the country. For those who do the time to qualify for citizenship, again, there's a clear connection and commitment to the country.
EDIT: I realise this might be a bit awkward for some Wallaby players, who've lived most of their lives in Aus as permanent residents c/o their Kiwi citizenship - I recall Quade actually became an Aus citizen years after his debut and only so he play in the Rio 7s!
Citizenship isn't always an ethical process in some countries. Although I like the idea of needing citizenship as a minimum, on top of the other residential/parental criteria.
I appreciate that may be the case, but something doesn’t sit quite right about preventing a citizen from representing his country (no matter how he might have gotten citizenship)
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@Nepia said in NH International Rugby:
@booboo said in NH International Rugby:
Although I like the idea of needing citizenship as a minimum
That would rule some Kiwi origin players for Australia going forward.
And?
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@booboo said in NH International Rugby:
@Nepia said in NH International Rugby:
@booboo said in NH International Rugby:
Although I like the idea of needing citizenship as a minimum
That would rule some Kiwi origin players for Australia going forward.
And?
Does there have to be an And ... I thought this was a place to spew out our verbal diahorrea.
