All Blacks v France Test #2
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@no-quarter I didn't go on Facebook for about a day after the game as hadn't seen it. When I go back on I see a few posts still popping up from before the game, one that I remember being a Welsh git going "Let's see what NZ can get away with this time".
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@williethewaiter said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
so if you're not looking and jump higher you're automatically in the right? They both ran in looking at nothing but the ball.
But one of them is running towards the flight of the ball. Because he's coming forward his peripheral vision and immediate knowledge means he's at an advantage. The only way it can go wrong is if he gets there too late. Barrett didn't, he was there before Fall, jumped earlier and higher. Fall's running forward at no point looking where he's running to. It's not a contest.
If Beauden was going to do an orthodox rugby catch to his chest, he would have been a meter to the left in this picture. As he is doing an AFL catch he starts his jump a metre closer to Fall. This has the biggest part IMO in his being cartwheeled.
The ALB push is a complete red herring.
I think IRB need to find a consistent applicable way to rule these contests. They should look to AFL and Basketball and find out how they have stopped people getting their legs chopped out from under them.
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Fall is still on the ground (he got off the ground didnt he, meaning he leapt after this contact - I know we are talking split second stuff here) when BB has been in the air for a good second or so, BB has his front knee up as you are taught, looking at that, there is no way Fall wasn't well aware of BB in his peripheral, otherwise the French need to employ Clive Woodwards spatial aareness coach.
Judiciary have made an arse of Gardner and THIER directives...
Although, has Fall been issued with a warning, maybe they issued one without publicizing it this week?
While I don't agree with the RC (due to the way it can ruin a game) the judiciary have got this completely wrong, not only with their ruling, but also the message this sends (although I don't expect we will see the levels of outrage (as in none) we would have if this was the opposite way around - I expect we'd hear more calls for assault charges, lifetime bans, probably expulsion from the next RWC due to our thuggish ways)
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Ok World Rugby, let's dial this back a bit.
Punishments are a tool or a way to modify behaviour from undesirable and damaging to something more sustainable and in this case less dangerous.
Sometimes the punishment needs extra reinforcing to facilitate understanding and clarify the undesirable behaviour . e.g. a red card at the time and usually a suspension or fine later.
The red cards tell all players and spectators what behaviour is unwanted.
So what the fuck sort of behaviour are you fluffybunnies trying to modify
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What behaviour outcomes are you trying to instill?Fucken imbeciles
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Fall is still on the ground (he got off the ground didnt he, meaning he leapt after this contact - I know we are talking split second stuff here) when BB has been in the air for a good second or so, BB has his front knee up as you are taught, looking at that, there is no way Fall wasn't well aware of BB in his peripheral, otherwise the French need to employ Clive Woodwards spatial aareness coach.
Judiciary have made an arse of Gardner and THIER directives...
Although, has Fall been issued with a warning, maybe they issued one without publicizing it this week?
While I don't agree with the RC (due to the way it can ruin a game) the judiciary have got this completely wrong, not only with their ruling, but also the message this sends (although I don't expect we will see the levels of outrage (as in none) we would have if this was the opposite way around - I expect we'd hear more calls for assault charges, lifetime bans, probably expulsion from the next RWC due to our thuggish ways)
Edited:
From the WR Handbook:
17.9.3 Citing Commissioners shall be entitled to issue a Citing Commissioner Warning to a Player who has in his opinion committed an act(s) of Foul Play which falls just short of warranting that the Player concerned be Ordered Off in circumstances where the act of Foul Play was not subject to a Temporary Suspension or Ordering Off.Fall was ordered off and cited, so basically the case was out of the CC's hands.
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@siam said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Ok World Rugby, let's dial this back a bit.
Punishments are a tool or a way to modify behaviour from undesirable and damaging to something more sustainable and in this case less dangerous.
Sometimes the punishment needs extra reinforcing to facilitate understanding and clarify the undesirable behaviour . e.g. a red card at the time and usually a suspension or fine later.
The red cards tell all players and spectators what behaviour is unwanted.
So what the fuck sort of behaviour are you fluffybunnies trying to modify
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What behaviour outcomes are you trying to instill?Fucken imbeciles
The IRB are a bunch of weak assholes. If roles were reversed and one of our guys had chopped down a French player I'm sure the outrage and calls for a lifetime ban along with clapping the player in irons would have been deafening from north of the equator. As it is Gardner is like the teacher who sent the naughty boy to the principal's office only for him to be let off Scott free. Great message of consistency to the refs
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I wonder if in their opinion, it even met YC threshold, based on their wording, you'd have to think not?
Did they just think it should be play on even?
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@stargazer well aren't they rescinding the red card? So by not issuing a warning, they're saying it doesn't even hit yellow card threshold. Fucking morons.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
I wonder if in their opinion, it even met YC threshold, based on their wording, you'd have to think not?
Did they just think it should be play on even?
Looks like another Frenchman cut a deal
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just more evidence the refs favour the AB's, dishing out fake red cards to assist us!
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@williethewaiter said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
so if you're not looking and jump higher you're automatically in the right? They both ran in looking at nothing but the ball.
But one of them is running towards the flight of the ball. Because he's coming forward his peripheral vision and immediate knowledge means he's at an advantage. The only way it can go wrong is if he gets there too late. Barrett didn't, he was there before Fall, jumped earlier and higher. Fall's running forward at no point looking where he's running to. It's not a contest.
perhaps my difference of opinion is based on my thinking that i'd back myself to catch a ball no matter if i was chasing it or running towards it I don't really see any difference.
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@williethewaiter said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@williethewaiter said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
so if you're not looking and jump higher you're automatically in the right? They both ran in looking at nothing but the ball.
But one of them is running towards the flight of the ball. Because he's coming forward his peripheral vision and immediate knowledge means he's at an advantage. The only way it can go wrong is if he gets there too late. Barrett didn't, he was there before Fall, jumped earlier and higher. Fall's running forward at no point looking where he's running to. It's not a contest.
perhaps my difference of opinion is based on my thinking that i'd back myself to catch a ball no matter if i was chasing it or running towards it I don't really see any difference.
That photo gives no sense of space and time. BB was there first, well before in my opinion. An international test player knows this and adjusts. If he wants to
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@williethewaiter said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@williethewaiter said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
so if you're not looking and jump higher you're automatically in the right? They both ran in looking at nothing but the ball.
But one of them is running towards the flight of the ball. Because he's coming forward his peripheral vision and immediate knowledge means he's at an advantage. The only way it can go wrong is if he gets there too late. Barrett didn't, he was there before Fall, jumped earlier and higher. Fall's running forward at no point looking where he's running to. It's not a contest.
perhaps my difference of opinion is based on my thinking that i'd back myself to catch a ball no matter if i was chasing it or running towards it I don't really see any difference.
If you're chasing a kick looking at the ball, never looking at where you're going, how do you take into account other players?
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@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@williethewaiter said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@williethewaiter said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
so if you're not looking and jump higher you're automatically in the right? They both ran in looking at nothing but the ball.
But one of them is running towards the flight of the ball. Because he's coming forward his peripheral vision and immediate knowledge means he's at an advantage. The only way it can go wrong is if he gets there too late. Barrett didn't, he was there before Fall, jumped earlier and higher. Fall's running forward at no point looking where he's running to. It's not a contest.
perhaps my difference of opinion is based on my thinking that i'd back myself to catch a ball no matter if i was chasing it or running towards it I don't really see any difference.
If you're chasing a kick looking at the ball, never looking at where you're going, how do you take into account other players?
that's the point - no one does. Any footage of Barrett looking at what the other players are doing? In reality he's running into the 'congested' zone coming forward so he needs to be the one looking.. or does there need to be a rule only the person coming forward can jump in the air?
what's the first thing drilled into your head (in any ball sport) "keep your eye on the ball"
so only way to fix it is to ban jumping. which is stupid. -
What is this talk of BB running towards the ball? . He was already under it. He was walking and then positioning himself. Apparently it's then OK to take him out mid-air because "eyes on the ball".
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@williethewaiter said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
that's the point - no one does. Any footage of Barrett looking at what the other players are doing? In reality he's running into the 'congested' zone coming forward so he needs to be the one looking.. or does there need to be a rule only the person coming forward can jump in the air?
What congested zone? The ball is kicked into space. Barrett is first there. He can run forward into space with small head movements checking where he's going and the flight of the ball.
You need to be first to dominate the opponent's response. Fall is second and as such he needs to make good decisions. He didn't.
I also reiterate you need to look where you're running. At no point does Fall do that, he's looking up into the air to his right while racing forward. It's basically negligent.
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@williethewaiter said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@williethewaiter said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@williethewaiter said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
so if you're not looking and jump higher you're automatically in the right? They both ran in looking at nothing but the ball.
But one of them is running towards the flight of the ball. Because he's coming forward his peripheral vision and immediate knowledge means he's at an advantage. The only way it can go wrong is if he gets there too late. Barrett didn't, he was there before Fall, jumped earlier and higher. Fall's running forward at no point looking where he's running to. It's not a contest.
perhaps my difference of opinion is based on my thinking that i'd back myself to catch a ball no matter if i was chasing it or running towards it I don't really see any difference.
If you're chasing a kick looking at the ball, never looking at where you're going, how do you take into account other players?
that's the point - no one does. Any footage of Barrett looking at what the other players are doing? In reality he's running into the 'congested' zone coming forward so he needs to be the one looking.. or does there need to be a rule only the person coming forward can jump in the air?
what's the first thing drilled into your head (in any ball sport) "keep your eye on the ball"
so only way to fix it is to ban jumping. which is stupid.There's a couple of debates rolled into one here:
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the law as it currently stands, which the judiciary has inexplicably thrown out the window thus throwing the ref under the bus and causing massive confusion. TBH it brings the game into disrepute.
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whether the law as it currently stands is the best way of approaching this.
The first one is straight forward, it's an outrageous decision that screams sheer incompetence.
The second one.... there's no easy answer, especially if the focus is meant to be on player safety.
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