Hurricanes v Chiefs
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Yep. He drives me crazy, but he does have the skills to be good there. It's just decision making. Some of the balls he threw last night were exactly what is needed to break down a rush defence, inside the traffic. But, on the other hand, some of his play (especially his running) was headless shit and ridiculous.
I was him to get time at 10 this year (and Mo'unga, and even Jordie) so that next year we've got 3-5 guys in key positions who've had time out there. We know that we'll be hit with some injury concerns, so this year has to be the year where we attempt to address that. For the same reason, I see eight, lock, hooker, and midfield as areas where some new blood needs introduction.
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@gt12 said in Hurricanes v Chiefs:
Yep. He drives me crazy, but he does have the skills to be good there. It's just decision making. Some of the balls he threw last night were exactly what is needed to break down a rush defence, inside the traffic. But, on the other hand, some of his play (especially his running) was headless shit and ridiculous.
I was him to get time at 10 this year (and Mo'unga, and even Jordie) so that next year we've got 3-5 guys in key positions who've had time out there. We know that we'll be hit with some injury concerns, so this year has to be the year where we attempt to address that. For the same reason, I see eight, lock, hooker, and midfield as areas where some new blood needs introduction.
I think that Perofeta is in the same boat as McKenzie! They both can be quality 10’s but both need to be able to control a game which neither have shown yet.
As for Jordie Barrett he is the form full back in Nz right now,I can see Ben smith playing wing for allblacks -
We are so blessed that our lord and saviour, The Pimply Giraffe, is here to negate the player drain. How good is it having a guy who is a realistic test option in any position in the backline, whether he has played there or not.
We need a stronger word than overrated.
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@rocky-rockbottom said in Hurricanes v Chiefs:
DMAC at 10 for AB's, please no. Wild card bench option at best. People can joke about overrating Jordie all they like. I want either him, or Beaudy, or both, on the park for 80 mins of every AB test. Any position, don't care.
Noooo, Rocky they got to you too? You bastards!
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@mariner4life said in Hurricanes v Chiefs:
We are so blessed that our lord and saviour, The Pimply Giraffe, is here to negate the player drain. How good is it having a guy who is a realistic test option in any position in the backline, whether he has played there or not.
We need a stronger word than overrated.
He's set a new record for the youngest GOAT of all time.
But in seriousness, if DMac, the guy bringing new meaning to the term headless chicken, is a "realistic" test option at 10 then Jordie is right in the conversation. DMac gives me the shits at 15 let alone 10.
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@no-quarter said in Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@mariner4life said in Hurricanes v Chiefs:
We are so blessed that our lord and saviour, The Pimply Giraffe, is here to negate the player drain. How good is it having a guy who is a realistic test option in any position in the backline, whether he has played there or not.
We need a stronger word than overrated.
He's set a new record for the youngest GOAT of all time.
But in seriousness, if DMac, the guy bringing new meaning to the term headless chicken, is a "realistic" test option at 10 then Jordie is right in the conversation. DMac gives me the shits at 15 let alone 10.
Yep I'm right with you on this. If we're going into a test with DMac at 10 I'd be very worried. Think I'd be less so with Jordie there, although would prefer to see him played there in parts first.
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I'm interested in how DMac will go with better coaching. He creates things with his pace and body movement that are undefendable. However, he's currently mixing that with horrible mistakes and errors of judgement. I guess Hansen will figure out if they can coach the downside out of him.
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@nzzp said in Hurricanes v Chiefs:
I'm interested in how DMac will go with better coaching. He creates things with his pace and body movement that are undefendable. However, he's currently mixing that with horrible mistakes and errors of judgement. I guess Hansen will figure out if they can coach the downside out of him.
At the risk if coaching the upside out if him too.
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@crazy-horse said in Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes v Chiefs:
I'm interested in how DMac will go with better coaching. He creates things with his pace and body movement that are undefendable. However, he's currently mixing that with horrible mistakes and errors of judgement. I guess Hansen will figure out if they can coach the downside out of him.
At the risk if coaching the upside out if him too.
I don' tthink this coaching group will. THey encourage people to play, but at the right time. Can you think of anyone who had the flair coached out of them -- I can't off the top of my head.
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I just think he's more suited to 7s - he'd be a fucking beast in that format, would create try after try after try. But without space he panics, and his lack of size really counts against him.
If he's already struggling with the lack of space at SR level then he's in for a world of hurt at test level.
Realistically 14 or 15 are the only positions I can see him doing OK in.
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@nzzp said in Hurricanes v Chiefs:
I'm interested in how DMac will go with better coaching. He creates things with his pace and body movement that are undefendable. However, he's currently mixing that with horrible mistakes and errors of judgement. I guess Hansen will figure out if they can coach the downside out of him.
Only at fullback at SR level.
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@stargazer Nah he does the same at international level, just not as often. But his many errors are also punished harder. I'm very interested in what the Wise Men go with for this squad, with all the injuries and guys coming back from injuries. Are they going to trust in people who have had no game time? Are they going to blood some more and give dirt trackers more runs with an eye on the RWC? Interesting.
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@stargazer said in Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@nzzp said in Hurricanes v Chiefs:
I'm interested in how DMac will go with better coaching. He creates things with his pace and body movement that are undefendable. However, he's currently mixing that with horrible mistakes and errors of judgement. I guess Hansen will figure out if they can coach the downside out of him.
Only at fullback at SR level.
Last year for the All Blacks I remember seeing him gas across the field, cut into a gap drawing two defenders and throw a magnificent pass.
He's doing it at international level - just not consistently enough yet, and with too many errors. He's special though, can see why he will be picked
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D Mac is getting a lot of hate on here but the Chiefs were losing last night. He was trying to do too much yes but he was also very dangerous. I still don't want him starting for the All Blacks but I thought he kept the Chiefs in it last night.
Barrett was also disappointing which no one on here seems to be mentioning. The cross field kick at 22-13 was a poor option for instance. The Hurricanes didn't really close the game down last night and that was disappointing.
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@hydro11 said in Hurricanes v Chiefs:
D Mac is getting a lot of hate on here but the Chiefs were losing last night.
In no small part due to him.
Barrett was also disappointing which no one on here seems to be mentioning. The cross field kick at 22-13 was a poor option for instance.
The option they scored off?
The very implication that DMac was good, but let down by his team whereas Beaudy was poor is taking the piss.
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@antipodean said in Hurricanes v Chiefs:
@hydro11 said in Hurricanes v Chiefs:
D Mac is getting a lot of hate on here but the Chiefs were losing last night.
In no small part due to him.
Barrett was also disappointing which no one on here seems to be mentioning. The cross field kick at 22-13 was a poor option for instance.
The option they scored off?
The very implication that DMac was good, but let down by his team whereas Beaudy was poor is taking the piss.
No, the crossfield kick for Laumape was a good option because we were under advantage. I am talking about the one he did at 22-13 for Aso I think it was? Alaimalo got the ball and countered. It was a poor option. At that point we needed to keep the ball and not give the Chiefs a chance to get back into it. The Chiefs tactical kicking was far superior in the last 25 minutes. A lot of that was due to Ngatai being awesome.
Barrett had a terrific game but a lot of people have been talking about controlling a game and how poor McKenzie (and Perofeta) have been at that. Barrett is not a lot better than D Mac at that. What he is good at is making sure the backline runs efficiently and that was the big different from last week with West playing.
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Barrett controlled the canes much better and against a much better side than West did last week. The canes couldn't even get out of their half. So I disagree, BB is one of the form tens in the world ATM, and his game is perfect for the way both the canes and ABs play. Listen to the neutrals - they agree.
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Remember too, that Beaudy got a lot of durespuct on here for his inability to control games. He still isn't probably a natural 10, and struggled at times. 10 is hard, people take time to grow into the role. He also used to be an absolute turnstile on defence - to the point some people were in teh 'never play for the ABs again mode'. Just like Nonu.
Anyway, the upsides of both Beaudy and DMac are apparent. Different players, different strengths, but great upside for both.
