Bledisloe 2
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After the 07 to 2015 years, which were the best AB years in my half century or so on the planet, I'm all about the result from here on.
I can't realistically envision that we'll see world dominance in such a commanding way again. Composure, defence, set pieces (mostly) attitude, skills, beating pressure - it'd be delusion to expect that for another 8 years.
So I'll take the Bled dripping in Steinlager and safely locked away in the cupboard.
Amazing win when the dust has settled
Down 17 points
2 disallowed tries - both could be given any other day
A well worked and executed try at the endGreat win fellas! You blokes can work out how to get better, but I'll take the win and say thank you very much.
So, Nonu or Bender or even Dagg take the tackle and set up a ruck in the first minute and at home we all think "wow, what if he passed to the overlap we could have been in in the first minute!"
But now we know why they took the tackle eh DMac?Better get this in for the tone of my musings:
Fucken well played Aus!
Seriously, the tackling and fight will do wonders for the game in Oz.
NZ making errors was due to the Wallabies, not due to us so much, but due to that seriously good committment one or two out from the ruck.Scoring tries in the second half with about 2 pieces of ball is also better than my team did.
Good on you you Aussie pricks
Now, where's that eye-patch of mine...?
For about 5 years now I've been conditioned to seeing a dominant scrum win penalties before the ball comes out. Barnes or the frogs will signal or blow a penalty a soon as one scrum goes back about 2 metres. That Owens explained to Coles that the Oz scrum wasn't being illegal, just being monstered back is all very good until you look for infringements after a try. Did Genia knock it on?
No
But did the same Oz scrum infringe on the back pedal?
Number fucken 6 did!
I'm all right with the try (Aaron smith?) but I'm not alright with the preference order of what's an infringement before a try in a review settingIs everything fairgame or just what you announce to the TMO that you're looking at?
Similarly with the Retallick no try. I'll bet that not one Wallaby thought that wasn't a try. And if Nige did actually signal a penalty and not a try, then don't we have rules for that type of infringement 1 metre from the line? following on from an accidental offside 1 metre from the line? Following on from a series of penalties 5 metres from the line? (late first half)
I've given up expecting consistency - it's probably too hard a game to ref rightly
Squire was bloody good. That 2 metres to go to ground in the tackle of the 2 out play is a huge 2 metres and he did that consistently. BBBR got rocked a few times
Was screaming "just give it to the boy". We've got another one in Reiko. Do we get the mandatory 5 years from him too?
Nice one skip - that's the way at the end
What scope is there at about the 60 minute mark to get a message that says "5 phases of pick and go right through the ruck"? It looked obvious from up high but I have no appreciation for how to get those tactics initiated in the white hot battle
All talk of next fullback candidates must have the notation "reserve fullback" while Ben Smith is alive. You just need him on the field and when you're not planning for his sabbatical, well then he plays at fucken fullback - end of!
it's probably me but I can't support anybody who can't control themselves in public. It's a behavioural skill and "passion" is an excuse that causes untold misery worldwide and has little stock in a leadership role
Cheika's not a great leader in my opinion.
He's got a victim persona that Heyneke doesn't.Oh the scrum!
First one we had a great shove just idling, then, all credit the pack held off till the ball was in and just put the throttle down again - that was good and smart teamwork. Like a jumbo that revs to fuck and back then releases the brake.
The scrummaging is why we managed to claw a win out of that gameFuck does Sam Cane always just charge head first into people?
Would I have wanted Retallick carded for that thing if he was in the opposition? I hope not, but in the heat of the game maybe? - I hope not though
Funny thing the G&G forum focussing on Foley's missed kicks when I thought the "what if" standouts were the 2 TMO disallowed tries at crucial scoreboard times
Cognitive Bias is huge in humans eh?All Blacks youtube channel highlights didn't show Genia's try - poor form All Black nerd department (actually the app and website are fucking dire too).
At the very end Hooper deliberately (deliberately mind you) causes a penalty.
I didn't make the laws but those reffing blokes often use the get out clause "the law states....and I have to follow the law...)
Well then, it's a yellow ain't it? Yeah sure it's a rather pointless one but dem laws are laws...No clear and obvious you say?...hmmmnah overall a great way to spend 2 hours on a Satdee (fuck off Marshall - are you not entertained, fuck off)
15 years of Lord Bled - I'll take that thank you very much indeed!!
last word though:
Bloody well played Hooper's men. really impressed with your work there. Showed a passion and appreciation for you recently suffering rugby fansfair dues
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@taniwharugby can't win with the clown
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@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
I noticed he doesn't refer to us as the ABs. He doesn't realise he's in full aura mode
I noticed in Hansen's onfield interview that he called us "Australia" and not "The Wallabies".
So is that a thing or does he call us The Wallabies at other times?
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@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
I noticed he doesn't refer to us as the ABs. He doesn't realise he's in full aura mode
I noticed in Hansen's onfield interview that he called us "Australia" and not "The Wallabies".
So is that a thing or does he call us The Wallabies at other times?
It's not a thing in either direction, unless somebody decides it's "a thing".
And if somebody even starts thinking it's "a thing"... then they've already lost. At life, at least. -
I'll post here now giving tuppence - in no particular sort of order - before reading the thread.
I expect the general reaction on here is doom and gloom, the All Blacks are hopeless etc etc.
However, personally in the end I really enjoyed that. Even when Beale scored and it looked gone.
It was a pretty one-sided performance really. After the first 20 or so minutes it was 35 - 12. Throw in some questionable TMO decisions and it's even uglier for the West Islanders.
DMac will get deserved shit for his pass. He may as well have been called Izzy on to it. But you're going to get a bit of that with him on attack. I know there are those mumbling about "error free, error fee, error free ..." which kind of makes me feel we'd end up with Michael Collins. I'd be more concerned about his reliability on D and I didn't see too many frailties there apart from the ovious main concern being his height or lack thereof against Folau. Just remember not everyone is Ben Smith.
TMO.
I'll wear the Ben Smith one (even though I had awarded it and took advantage of the break as a comfort stop). One replay did seem to show him loding contact.But what the hell was Nige doing for Brodie's? Are the protocols somehow different to Super Rugby? On field try = clear and obvious reason not to award it. No evidence to the contrary = on field decision stands = try. Weird.
Not greatly fussed about the Genia knock on. To my one eye in looked a knock on but I wonder if that was more in hope than objectivity. Happy with the call that it was not clear and obvious. See more below re "lucky'.
Whilst I had some issues with some of Nige's calls he generally managed to explain them.
I was blowing up about the penalty that Hanigan gave away. But was happy with his explanation that Smith blew that by Genia-ing it forward into him. If he'd actually just passed the ball or had held back ... actually no fuck it. That was wrong. He was offside and prevented a near certain try.
I reckon "near certain" would meet the threshold of "probable".
Get the cameras off Krusty. It's an extremely poor advertisement for the game.
While we're discussing Klownboy. The man is delusional. After match he reckoned Aus "deserved to win". On what basis Michael?
A little more honest self assessment is required from the Wobs. All we heard last week was how they won the second half. This week it was "we deserved to win" after being dominated and getting lucky early.
Message for the Aussies here. You need to be more like NZ: Pessismistic bastards. Never fucking happy with the performance. The reaction to this game will be close to universally negative on the RHS of the ditch, whilst you fellas will talk it up. Consider the result and the record and pause for a bit.
Talking of lucky. How do you score from that scrum? I find it hard to blame Ardie as the 8 were committed to destroying the Wobs so he was occupied and pushing. But hell that'd be gutting for the forwards.
Ardie though was poor missing Genia for his try.
But good and powerful with ball in hand.
And do you think the choice of haka was a trubute to Tree? I thought they might go Kapa o Pango as special recognition. But then I thought it would be appropiriate to do tge one Tree used to do.
More random thoughts when I think of them ...
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@Kruse said in Bledisloe 2:
@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
@canefan said in Bledisloe 2:
I noticed he doesn't refer to us as the ABs. He doesn't realise he's in full aura mode
I noticed in Hansen's onfield interview that he called us "Australia" and not "The Wallabies".
So is that a thing or does he call us The Wallabies at other times?
It's not a thing in either direction, unless somebody decides it's "a thing".
And if somebody even starts thinking it's "a thing"... then they've already lost. At life, at least.Plenty of people here think it's a thing when people don't call the New Zealand senior men's Rugby team "The All Blacks".
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@NTA said in Bledisloe 2:
@Kruse said in Bledisloe 2:
And if somebody even starts thinking it's "a thing"... then they've already lost. At life, at least.Plenty of people here think it's a thing when people don't call the New Zealand senior men's Rugby team "The All Blacks".
Seems like we're in agreement.
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I actually thought it was a good percentage play by Hooper at the end. I would have given them the turnover if I was ref, and he forced Owens to make a decision. That decision was 'I'm giving remedial halfback coaching lessons so I'll give you unlimited seconds and 3 shouted earnings to use it, but not actually make you use it, and penalise the opposition for having the temerity to think my "use it" warning was actually genuine'
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that last try, was amusing as MArshall called it as they were heading to halfway, said they'll split the forwards, go flat with Read to get it back...even funnier though, Owens asked Sopoaga which way he was going to restart, left or right, he signalled left but went right and almost looked like Owens was gonna blow his whistle for something.
@Rapido I think they need to tidy up the halfback work at the back, we saw in the Lions series alot of messing at the back of rucks, but that was a low percentage play, albeit his only one
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@Rapido Rubbish
There is a sanction for a halfback not "using it" and it is independent of the actions of the opposition.
That was about as effective a percentage play as sacrificing a goat on the pitch and hoping to regather possession with 10 seconds remaining.
He tried something that will never work in the hope that it would
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@booboo
Yeah the Hanigen offside was a wrong decision and looking at a replay in full speed I think wee nugget actually was just finding the fastes way to get the ball to an unmarked ReikoRugby laws of late have demonstrated that you can have the purest of intentions but if you fuck up, you're gone. Henigan had to be yellowed - harsh but true
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@Siam The break that lead to Genias try, BFA was hard done by not to get a t/o as he was being cleared out he had hands on the ball and was dragging Genia along the deck who was clinging for dear life, a few phases later he was up and scoring a great try...
For the most part Owens was good, but he did miss a fair bit, which he seems to do to let it flow, obviously my AB eye patch is he missed a bit more our way, but I expect Aussies will see it the other way.
INteresting moving odds stats from the TAB:
FIRST HALF
Odds at Kickoff: New Zealand $1.04 v Australia $9.001 Minute: New Zealand 0-5 Australia
Israel Folau grabs an intercept and races away for the opening try.
Odds: New Zealand $1.11 v Australia $5.5012 Minutes: New Zealand 0-12 Australia
Michael Hooper finds his way through a gap for the Wallabies second try.
Odds: New Zealand $1.20 v Australia $4.0014 Minutes: New Zealand 0-17 Australia
Bernard Foley scores Australia's thrid try inside the opening 14 minutes.
Odds: New Zealand $1.42 v Australia $2.6021 Minutes: New Zealand 7-17 Australia
The All Blacks finally get on the board courtesy of a Rieko Ioane try.
Odds: New Zealand $1.16 v Australia $4.5040 Minutes: New Zealand 14-17 Australia
Aaron Smith dives over for the All Blacks' second try with the final act of the first half.
Odds: New Zealand $1.11 v Australia $5.50SECOND HALF
60 Minutes: New Zealand 21-17 Australia
The All Blacks finally hit the lead after Beauden Barrett sneaks across the line.
Odds: New Zealand $1.20 v Australia $4.0067 Minutes: New Zealand 21-22 Australia
The Wallabies strike back through Will Genia and re-take the lead.
Odds: New Zealand $1.40 v Australia $2.7072 Minutes: New Zealand 28-22 Australia
The All Blacks string together 22 phases before Ben Smith finds some space to score the home side's fourth try of the night.
Odds: New Zealand $1.07 v Australia $6.75 -
To be honest, the 'oh, just passionate' defence gets me more than a bit pissy. It's insulting to the guys and gals at the highest level who work their guts out to succeed but don't feel the need to carry on like a douchebag.
Passion should not be measured by how many times you say fucking fluffybunny in a coaching box. It's so much more than that - getting up when you get knocked down. Wanting to learn, wanting to improve. Being able to admire greatness in others. Striving for excellence. Mumbling to yourself in the middle of the night because you have an idea and need to talk it through. Failing heaps and still having the drive to get up the next day with a bounce in your step. Loving what you do.
