Bledisloe 2
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@Stargazer Gibson is a Blue, obviously he's better. Anyway, shouldn't Taufua be further up your list?
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@pukunui said in Bledisloe 2:
@Tim said in Bledisloe 2:
Still don't understand why Ardie Savea is in the All Blacks squad. Fourth best openside flanker in NZ, and offers no physical impact from the bench. A mystery.
4th?
Beat me to it...
Cane
Todd
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
@pukunui said in Bledisloe 2:
@Tim said in Bledisloe 2:
Still don't understand why Ardie Savea is in the All Blacks squad. Fourth best openside flanker in NZ, and offers no physical impact from the bench. A mystery.
4th?
Cane
Todd
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How come all the shit I buy on trademe takes so long to get to me but my letters to Australia only take three days?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11910599
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Haha there is some bullshit posted on here at times but if you honestly think Savea isn't in the top three 7's in the country you are delusional.
Whether he is 2 or 3 depends on how you are weighting your ranking. As i starter he would be 3 for me but think he is a better bench option than Todd. The AB coaches appear to agree.I would say he still needs to bulk up a bit for test rugby. Pays to remember Cane wasn't the player he is straight away either. That took a few years of playing off the bench and putting on muscle.
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I haven't given up on ardie ,
But I did think he was going to be a bit more spectacular as an impact player than what he has shown so far . And I was all for it .
But I'm not quite sure it's going to plan , bit of a head scratcher for me at this stage .
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Haha, some posters on here take posts far to seriously wink wink nod nod pukunui....
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Against the Boks I wouldn't be surprised to see a bigger loosie (Kaino/Squire/Akira) on the bench plus a lock.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Bledisloe 2:
Haha, some posters on here take posts far to seriously wink wink nod nod pukunui....
Hmm you never can be sure if it is humour or idiocy. Some people use these silly jokes to test the water with their bonkers opinions sometimes. It's the trump effect, say it enough and eventually the nutters will come out of the woodwork and believe it.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Bledisloe 2:
I haven't given up on ardie ,
But I did think he was going to be a bit more spectacular as an impact player than what he has shown so far . And I was all for it .
But I'm not quite sure it's going to plan , bit of a head scratcher for me at this stage .
I wonder if they have chosen him for impact and 'x-factor' then told him that his work-ons are doing the basics well.
Surely if they want someone to come on and do the basics well then Todd is a better option. If they want someone to add impact then let him off the leash.
Could be a longer plan. Get him gametime to practice doing the basics to test level in case he is required early (they don't trust him in this regard as they select Todd over him if Cane is injured) and then let him play an impact game once he has reached that standard. -
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Impact isn't necessarily making yards ball in hand.
I think Todd is more likely to come on and make a crucial turnover than savea, and I think his support play, defence and ruck work would be pretty handy too. Some of the best impact play from the bench I've seen was against, Ireland winning it at the death, and it was ruck work. -
I thought it was a big shame Victor Vito left when he did ,
Still had plenty to offer IMO.
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@kiwiinmelb Him and Luatua leaving was quite a loss.
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@reprobate said in Bledisloe 2:
Impact isn't necessarily making yards ball in hand.
I think Todd is more likely to come on and make a crucial turnover than savea, and I think his support play, defence and ruck work would be pretty handy too. Some of the best impact play from the bench I've seen was against, Ireland winning it at the death, and it was ruck work.Agree. The Franks brothers came off the bench that day and they were absolutely massive in that final sequence. Their impact at the ruck in securing ball for Aaron Smith to make swift passes was huge. Then we had Messam, Coles, Crotty and Beauden Barrett playing out on the fringes with fresher legs to make half breaks.
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at least Kqwuaiyde isn't playing, so a chance maybe?
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Respect the kicker? Gee that's part of the deal when playing away from home surely. I would have thought the top kickers do well to zone out from that anyway.
Maybe a secret ploy by the NZRU to improve BB kicking stats whilst overseas?
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@chimoaus Fox always said he found it harder to concentrate when there was no booing...
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What nonsense, booing the kicker has been part of the live rugby experience since Adam was a cowboy.
What's next, no hot dogs & chips dripping in t. sauce?
No cheerleaders? Oh hang on.......
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That's probably how they do it at the international tiddlywinks championship.
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I love booing the kicker and opposition teams when they run out.
It's funny, and mostly done in good humor.
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Booing is what cows do.
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@Gunner Adam must have been a cowboy in the 80's
There was no booing in the 70's but was when I came back to NZ in the 90's
I'm old so don't boo (except for the ref if he really makes a shocker and foul play) and clap good play from both sides but it doesn't bother me if others do.
the only crowd reaction that gets my ire is SLSC from the Poms during the haka - another innovation from the 80's
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@Unco said in Bledisloe 2:
@Chris-B. said in Bledisloe 2:
@No-Quarter Wouldn't surprise me if Jules has done his dash. He's got Rieko and Naholo ahead of him as power wingers and Dagg and NMS as second fullback type wings, plus Jordie pushing Ben Smith towards a wing, plus DMac and Havili in the back three frame - and big Seta shifting outwards from a congested midfield and who knows who else emerging from the pack. It's not a situation where you want to be pushed out.
I don't think Ardie's under too much threat until the selectors decide they want more muscle on the bench. He brings something very different to that bench role - though I don't really see him displacing Sam Cane to start any time soon.
You say Ardie "brings something very different" but what exactly does he bring? In theory Ardie seems like he'd be the perfect impact player coming off the bench but in reality, he doesn't really seem to impact a whole lot.
As Hansen said the other day, he adds speed. I think he brings some good aggression too - often see him keep his feet and drive on with legs pumping - though doubtless a bigger specialist blindside forward could do that equally well or better.
To state the obvious, they're pulling the big physical blindside and shifting to two opensides for the final 20 minutes or so, so the ploy is evidently to lift the tempo against tired legs and run the opposition off their feet.
Last year it seemed to work pretty well and people were talking about the big advantage our bench gave us. This year it hasn't been so effective and against the Lions that wasn't surprising, because they had a bunch of frontline test players sitting on their bench. I've got no idea what happened on Saturday night, but it wasn't impressive.
If they're going to stick with the two opensides plan then Ardie's probably the right man for the job. If we end up with Read, Kaino, Squire and Ioane all playing high quality test footy then they might go down another path.
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I save my wrath for the refs and particularly ARs, who regularly miss/ignore obvious infringements right in front of them. The best banter is amongst the supporters and not necessarily directed at the players.
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Salacious Crumbreplied to dogmeat on 24 Aug 2017, 23:16 last edited by Salacious Crumb 24 Aug 2017, 23:20
@dogmeat said in Bledisloe 2:
There was no booing in the 70's ...
You mustn't have been at Eden Park whenever North Auckland was challenging for the Shield then I'm guessing.
but was when I came back to NZ in the 90's
I'm old so don't boo ...
I blame satellite tv/internet. Then professionalism. I'm old too. Maybe too old too. When athletes were amateurs supporters restrained themselves & self-policed better. But when athletes are making good money, fans givem the blowtorch. That's international pro sports - team sports especially.
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I can recall booing the opposition at Okara park in the late 80's. But once the game was over I was running out onto the field to get as many autographs as I could I remember my mum telling me to stop yelling at the ref about gold watches.
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Coleman has been ruled out. Arnold is back in to partner Simmons. They are truly screwed.
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@Salacious-Crumb I was at EP for those matches and Okara when Akl won it back
Along with the booing we also seem to have lost the ironic/sarcastic clapping. Colin Farrell used to get a lot of that....
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@akan004 said in Bledisloe 2:
Coleman has been ruled out. Arnold is back in to partner Simmons. They are truly screwed.
I noticed the replacement is the 21 year old Izack Rodda who played for the Reds? Anyone know much about him? Appears to be pretty green with 12 Super Rugby caps?
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Has there been any announcement of who will be starting at tighthead with Franks out? I haven't seen anything to date.
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@chimoaus He has a heap of potential. The guy is massive and physical and will be a very good lock in the future but he is nowhere near ready for Test match rugby at this stage. He struggled to keep up with the pace of some of the Super Rugby games this year so am a bit surprised that Cheika has him in the Wallaby squad already.
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@taniwharugby said in Bledisloe 2:
at least Kqwuaiyde isn't playing, so a chance maybe?
They should get the ground DJ to play a pre-recorded clip of a silent crowd over the PA system. Surely that's the way we roll in this country? Any stadium atmosphere issue can be addressed by a DJ whacking something through the PA.
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@Rapido said in Bledisloe 2:
Any stadium atmosphere issue can be addressed by a DJ whacking something through the PA.I'm just looking forward to hearing Dave Dobbyn, don't hear him much this side of the ditch.
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I don't really care about booing the kicker. I don;t like how opposition teams get booed as they run on. Double standard?
Booing the opposition's national anthem pisses me off. What a complete lack of class.
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I remember a Waikato-Auckland game at Rugby Park in the early 1990s when Auckland was near unbeatable. Fox was taking forever to kick a penalty as the crowd was yelling and screaming at him. When there was finally a moment of silence someone in the crowd yelled out "hurry up Fox, the ball will go flat". We all pissed ourselves with laughter. The bastard still got the penalty goal though.
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