Crusaders v Hurricanes
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@Stargazer said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@Siam said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@kev said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 I think you underestimate the Crusaders backs. Win by 30 🤣
We won by 25 last year with less forward dominance than the Crusaders had tonight. Not unreasonable.
We probably aren't going to get forward dominance against the Crusaders but we need to do better than tonight to compete.
Who gives a fuck about last year??
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I'm saying that a very similar Hurricanes team beat a very similar Crusaders team by 25 points last year having had less forward dominance than the Crusaders had tonight. Therefore I'm saying that if we had the same forward dominance the Crusaders had tonight, we would have won by thirty. I think results which happened last year are a decent predictor of what can happen this year.
I don't expect the Hurricanes to dominate the Crusaders in the forwards because the Crusaders are far better man for man. I tipped the Crusaders to win, after all.
You're kidding right? New in the Crusaders backline since last year: Hall (2nd half), Bridge, Goodhue, Tamanivalu, Mataele, Hunt (not sure whether these last two players even came on the field). Only left from last year: Drummond (1st half), Mo'unga, Crotty and Havili.
Add a mostly new coaching staff.
Last year's Crusaders backline couldn't defend. This year's backline clearly can.
Fair enough. It's still a lot easy to defend when the other team isn't getting quality ball
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@hydro11 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@Stargazer said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@Siam said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@kev said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 I think you underestimate the Crusaders backs. Win by 30 🤣
We won by 25 last year with less forward dominance than the Crusaders had tonight. Not unreasonable.
We probably aren't going to get forward dominance against the Crusaders but we need to do better than tonight to compete.
Who gives a fuck about last year??
wierd conversation
I'm saying that a very similar Hurricanes team beat a very similar Crusaders team by 25 points last year having had less forward dominance than the Crusaders had tonight. Therefore I'm saying that if we had the same forward dominance the Crusaders had tonight, we would have won by thirty. I think results which happened last year are a decent predictor of what can happen this year.
I don't expect the Hurricanes to dominate the Crusaders in the forwards because the Crusaders are far better man for man. I tipped the Crusaders to win, after all.
You're kidding right? New in the Crusaders backline since last year: Hall (2nd half), Bridge, Goodhue, Tamanivalu, Mataele, Hunt (not sure whether these last two players even came on the field). Only left from last year: Drummond (1st half), Mo'unga, Crotty and Havili.
Add a mostly new coaching staff.
Last year's Crusaders backline couldn't defend. This year's backline clearly can.
Fair enough. It's still a lot easy to defend when the other team isn't getting quality ball
Ahh fuck it...umm ...denying the opposition quality ball is what good defence is
it's not a 'luck' thing, you earn it
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
Yep Mo'unga bested Barrett. The same Mo'unga who Laumape repeatedly made his bitch. Switch flyhalves in that game and the Saders win by 20+.
Switch Laumape for Crotty and the Canes win, there's a straaaaawmaaaaaaan waiting in the sky.
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@hydro11 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
We were completely reamed in the forwards, our backs were shut down by the rush defence and we only lost by eight points. That is the upside. If we had the forward dominance then we probably would have won by thirty. How to get the forward dominance against that pack is the big question. We have done it before though.
Get better forwards ...
That Saders tight five... faaaarking!
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@No-Quarter said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
NMS, Coles, Fats and Proctor - we don't have any cover for them which is the problem so their injuries are hurting us. As good as Whitelock is having two AB locks to cover him is a nice luxary.
NMS and Proctor would have made very little difference. Also and the wings hardly saw the ball. Coles is obviously a loss and Fats possibly would have been better than an underdone Fifita.
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@booboo said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
Having said that I could see Cruden starting in front of Barrett on that form
I would like to think BB wouldn't be behind a pack that badly beaten though. IF (that's a massive IF) the Lions proved vastly superior in the forwards then maybe a case could be made for a different style and 10 than BB but I doubt that will be the case. That Saders front row with Whitelock and Read behind them won't get pushed around.
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@Siam said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@Stargazer said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@Siam said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@kev said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 I think you underestimate the Crusaders backs. Win by 30 🤣
We won by 25 last year with less forward dominance than the Crusaders had tonight. Not unreasonable.
We probably aren't going to get forward dominance against the Crusaders but we need to do better than tonight to compete.
Who gives a fuck about last year??
wierd conversation
I'm saying that a very similar Hurricanes team beat a very similar Crusaders team by 25 points last year having had less forward dominance than the Crusaders had tonight. Therefore I'm saying that if we had the same forward dominance the Crusaders had tonight, we would have won by thirty. I think results which happened last year are a decent predictor of what can happen this year.
I don't expect the Hurricanes to dominate the Crusaders in the forwards because the Crusaders are far better man for man. I tipped the Crusaders to win, after all.
You're kidding right? New in the Crusaders backline since last year: Hall (2nd half), Bridge, Goodhue, Tamanivalu, Mataele, Hunt (not sure whether these last two players even came on the field). Only left from last year: Drummond (1st half), Mo'unga, Crotty and Havili.
Add a mostly new coaching staff.
Last year's Crusaders backline couldn't defend. This year's backline clearly can.
Fair enough. It's still a lot easy to defend when the other team isn't getting quality ball
Ahh fuck it...umm ...denying the opposition quality ball is what good defence is
it's not a 'luck' thing, you earn it
Denying the other team quality ball is mostly due to the forward pack being dominant (which I have been talking about for the past ten posts). It is a lot easier to play a rush defence if the ball is slow. I don't know how anyone could read my posts and think that I have not acknowledged how good the Crusaders forwards were or that they were lucky. My post was in response to a post mentioning how much the Crusaders backline has changed and denying the opposition quality ball is more a responsibility of a forward pack and not the backline.
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@Crucial said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@No-Quarter said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
NMS, Coles, Fats and Proctor - we don't have any cover for them which is the problem so their injuries are hurting us. As good as Whitelock is having two AB locks to cover him is a nice luxary.
NMS and Proctor would have made very little difference. Also and the wings hardly saw the ball. Coles is obviously a loss and Fats possibly would have been better than an underdone Fifita.
Proctor would have made a bit of a difference. Aso's defence was terrible again tonight. We were just lucky the Crusaders didn't exploit it.
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@hydro11 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@Siam said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@Stargazer said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@Siam said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@kev said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 I think you underestimate the Crusaders backs. Win by 30 🤣
We won by 25 last year with less forward dominance than the Crusaders had tonight. Not unreasonable.
We probably aren't going to get forward dominance against the Crusaders but we need to do better than tonight to compete.
Who gives a fuck about last year??
wierd conversation
I'm saying that a very similar Hurricanes team beat a very similar Crusaders team by 25 points last year having had less forward dominance than the Crusaders had tonight. Therefore I'm saying that if we had the same forward dominance the Crusaders had tonight, we would have won by thirty. I think results which happened last year are a decent predictor of what can happen this year.
I don't expect the Hurricanes to dominate the Crusaders in the forwards because the Crusaders are far better man for man. I tipped the Crusaders to win, after all.
You're kidding right? New in the Crusaders backline since last year: Hall (2nd half), Bridge, Goodhue, Tamanivalu, Mataele, Hunt (not sure whether these last two players even came on the field). Only left from last year: Drummond (1st half), Mo'unga, Crotty and Havili.
Add a mostly new coaching staff.
Last year's Crusaders backline couldn't defend. This year's backline clearly can.
Fair enough. It's still a lot easy to defend when the other team isn't getting quality ball
Ahh fuck it...umm ...denying the opposition quality ball is what good defence is
it's not a 'luck' thing, you earn it
Denying the other team quality ball is mostly due to the forward pack being dominant (which I have been talking about for the past ten posts). It is a lot easier to play a rush defence if the ball is slow. I don't know how anyone could read my posts and think that I have not acknowledged how good the Crusaders forwards were or that they were lucky. My post was in response to a post mentioning how much the Crusaders backline has changed and denying the opposition quality ball is more a responsibility of a forward pack and not the backline.
nah. you blew it when you said the Hurricanes "probably" would have won by thirty (that's at least 5 tries! - in a game where only 1 was scored!!).
Your words
no coming back from that nonsense mate
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@hydro11 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@Crucial said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@No-Quarter said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
NMS, Coles, Fats and Proctor - we don't have any cover for them which is the problem so their injuries are hurting us. As good as Whitelock is having two AB locks to cover him is a nice luxary.
NMS and Proctor would have made very little difference. Also and the wings hardly saw the ball. Coles is obviously a loss and Fats possibly would have been better than an underdone Fifita.
Proctor would have made a bit of a difference. Aso's defence was terrible again tonight. We were just lucky the Crusaders didn't exploit it.
So if the Crusaders didn't exploit it how would someone else have made a difference?
That's an odd statement.The canes are an extremely effective and exciting team when they get parity and above in the forwards. So far the teams that have dominated them in that aspect have nullified or put massive pressure on their game.
In part it is through marginal offside rushing but that is the advantage you get when you are stronger at set piece and breakdowns. The visuals for the refs are such that the marginal offsides (where you have a foot in front to get that split second break) never get called as they aren't clear and obvious due to the offside line moving. -
@Canerbry said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
Yep Mo'unga bested Barrett. The same Mo'unga who Laumape repeatedly made his bitch. Switch flyhalves in that game and the Saders win by 20+.
Switch Laumape for Crotty and the Canes win, there's a straaaaawmaaaaaaan waiting in the sky.
That is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on this site. You're a special one that's for sure.
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@booboo said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
@hydro11 said in Crusaders v Hurricanes:
We were completely reamed in the forwards, our backs were shut down by the rush defence and we only lost by eight points. That is the upside. If we had the forward dominance then we probably would have won by thirty. How to get the forward dominance against that pack is the big question. We have done it before though.
Get better forwards ...
That Saders tight five... faaaarking!
and the way they used Strange. Pretty much didn't change from the calls they would have for Barrett.
Razor has a fair share of "strange fecker" about him, but there's no doubt he's got those crusader fluffybunnies (and they are) all firing together. He's made a mockery of the South African fatigue syndrome and sans Read and Whitelock factors that we all thought might come back to bite in the last 10-15 minutes.
He appears to be a cracking good coach!
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With regard to Razor ...
.. that hair do is the Twenty-tweenies equivalent of the comb over.
... you're 42 ... nearly 43 ... Razor. Accept your age and that you're middle aged. It's cooler to look like you realise that than try and look 23 ...
Good coaching though...
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Just got back from the game, best seats ever thanks to a supplier, I was 5 seats away from the coaching box. Great atmosphere in a full house, even the nice old syrups in the diamond platinum seats around us were getting a little rowdy, and full credit to the team from Move Logistics for the piss.
Canes looked jumped-up and nervous before the game, I wasn't very confident going in, it looked as if they were going to be able to channel the energy into focused aggression on the field. Nup, they were brittle.
Tore up a little while the horses were on.
I was almost resigned to being there while Beaudy tore us a new one, looking forward to seeing it in a way, so yeah disappointed there. All this talk of the Crusaders targeting him, I reckon it was just good defense.
Canes had all the turnover ball and he got plenty of space, took some pretty soft options an didn't execute. Hence the points win for Mo'unga, out Beaudened Beauden tonight which deserves to be noted.
Otherhoo: Matt Todd and Ryan Crotty are deadset legends. Haven't seen any replays of what actually happened and stuff but Yarpo Piper was pulling it out of his ass in the second half. Ardie Savea will get banned for a very long time if he gets caught pinning a player to the ground and punching after the tackle again, he did it twice tonight. We got into the niggle too though, got under their skins a bit by the looks... I get moist over our scrum.
