Highlanders vs. Blues
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@Stargazer Good post with well thought out argument - I don't agree with it, but your points are clear and succinct.
I do think it's naive though to think that this was done the way it was without intending it to cause the shitstorm it did. It could have been dealt with through the right channels very early on, instead of surprising everybody turning up on the day with them covered.
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@No-Quarter Lima Sopoaga has to make a public apology for calling team mates gay on twitter and SBW gets a pass for hanging out with a guy who says homosexuals are worse than animals?
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@No-Quarter said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@Stargazer said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
I think you have to know him personally, like his team mates, to know what he's really like. I certainly won't form opinions about him by reading opinionated articles from journos. Just as I don't follow the fanboy hype around him, I won't let jealous/anti-religious/Islamophobic grudges influence me. Above all, I don't really care what he does or not, as long as he plays well when/if he gets to wear a black jersey again.
Haha, you call someone out on the hypocrisy of his actions and that hanging out with people that despise homosexuals reflects badly on him and suddenly made up words like Islamophobic come out.
I'm pretty comfortable forming an opinion of him based on those two things alone, let alone everything else that comes with brand SBW.
He's mates with Quade Cooper. That's another black mark.
However he also gave 100 grand to Christchurch for the earthquake appeal. He's well off but he's not Tiger Woods or David Beckham....kudos for him for that.
My main issue as it has always been has been the massive attention given to his every move relative to his talent....
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@MN5 ironic that a count-back would more than likely show you as having the most posts on the guy
Rrrrrrraaaaiiiiinnn
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there is a right way, a wrong way and an SBW way...is funny, this is the most @mn5 has posted on a rugby thread in years!
Am sure we will get some 'sound' reasoning as to why he did it this way, however I dont think it will be the full story...he's been a Muslim for 8 years, so surely it isnt something he has just realised, maybe he has just had someone point it out to him?
BUt as has been highlighted numerous time, the shear number of times BNZ has been mentioned in social media and mainstream media, it is almost as if it was some kind of covert publicility stunt, cos man they been getting some coverage
Or maybe the explanation is simple...if you look carefully, is that SBW at the end of the queue?
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@mariner4life said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@MN5 ironic that a count-back would more than likely show you as having the most posts on the guy
Rrrrrrraaaaiiiiinnn
@Hooroo and others are more full of hate though.
....and yours are definitely the gayest.
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@MajorRage said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
Does anybody hate him? I don't think so , I know that I don't.
I just don't really care for the baggage that goes with him - of which not all his fault.
I love watching him play rugby, the sideshow that comes with him is very boring.
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Yeah I'm a huge fan of how he plays. No matter what @MN5 says, the guy has put in and been a real asset to the AB squad. I personally don't think he did this to cause a stir. I saw it during the game and didn't even think a second thought. I was just hoping he'd wouldn't play well so the Landers would win.
I've seen other Super rugby players put tape on logos whether it's on compression gear or headgear. Those appear to be for financial and/or contractual purposes. This appears to be the same given its a contractual reason that has allowed him to tape over a sponsor.
It's neither here nor there for me. Bring on next week.
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@MajorRage said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@Stargazer Good post with well thought out argument - I don't agree with it, but your points are clear and succinct.
That is totally unacceptable. The fern did not get to where it is today with that sort of reasoned response
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Perhaps SBW could get an alternative sponsor to NIB for example and donate the cash to the team funds? Now that he is in Auckland he could get the Newmarket Organic Bakery (you could have Kingsland Newmarket, if the spelling offends).
Maybe All Nippon Airways could add the Ltd to their logo and put that on his jersey? Should go in front of the bakery abbreviation.
Actually I couldn't care less about his antics, just want the teams he plays for now to do well.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
Yeah I'm a huge fan of how he plays. No matter what @MN5 says, the guy has put in and been a real asset to the AB squad. I personally don't think he did this to cause a stir. I saw it during the game and didn't even think a second thought. I was just hoping he'd wouldn't play well so the Landers would win.
I've seen other Super rugby players put tape on logos whether it's on compression gear or headgear. Those appear to be for financial and/or contractual purposes. This appears to be the same given its a contractual reason that has allowed him to tape over a sponsor.
It's neither here nor there for me. Bring on next week.
I've never said he wasn't a good player
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@ACT-Crusader said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
I personally don't think he did this to cause a stir.
Of all the headlines this guy has created over the years... this is the first time I believe he did do it to create a fuss. Not saying he doesn't believe in what he's doing, but there are any number of ways he could have handled it that wouldn't have created this distraction for his team.
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So he's released a statement ...
Which proves the SBW apologists right - learning religon etc ... but does nothing to change the view of those who view he did it the way he did for attention seeking purposes.
Divisive character!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11837302
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Haha he's been a Muslim for 9 years and only now realised that Islam prohibits banks that charge interest? Nice one SBW.
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@Milk said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@ACT-Crusader said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
I personally don't think he did this to cause a stir.
Of all the headlines this guy has created over the years... this is the first time I believe he did do it to create a fuss. Not saying he doesn't believe in what he's doing, but there are any number of ways he could have handled it that wouldn't have created this distraction for his team.
I don't get this viewpoint at all. To me it smacks of wanting find a reason for his actions that fits in with an overall view of not liking the attention he gets.
I didn't even notice the tape during the game, it was my son that pointed it out to me during a front on replay. I was too busy looking to see what his comeback form was like.
If he wanted to attract attention he could have gone about things in a far more obvious way or released a statement before the game so everyone noticed.
To counter your point @Milk how could he have done this in a way that didn't cause a distraction? To me it looks like that's what he tried to do. No statement, no grandstanding, just a bit of tape and get on with the game.
It's the media that continues to highlight every time the guy farts. He makes easy headlines and stories.
Sure, some of his personal decisions make things even easier for them but I reckon you could take any number of players and , if placed under the microscope in the manner SBW is, would cough up headlines (Aaron Smith found that out, was he attention seeking?)
Was Micheal Jones attention seeking by not playing Sundays? Graeme Mourie by refusing to play SA?
I think SBW is tarred with the attention seeking brush because many of his acts and decisions have made headlines not just the odd one or two but that's not his fault, he doesn't put himself on the front page or top story. His only option is to completely tow the line and do nothing slightly out of the ordinary but why should he? He has his own life to live.
You'll probably also guess by now that I totally disagree with Bill English on this.
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@No-Quarter said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
Haha he's been a Muslim for 9 years and only now realised that Islam prohibits banks that charge interest? Nice one SBW.
I don't adhere to any faith whatsoever but it's pretty obvious that anyone who does will do so to any manner of degrees of adherence, knowledge or understanding depending on their personal viewpoints or requirements.
How many Catholics fully know or adhere to the tenets of that religion or follow it's 'rules' to the letter? How many would pick, choose and change their views over their lifetime?I'll get shot down by the usuals on this but I am starting to wonder whether much of the comment regarding this is because of the Muslim aspect? It is a religion that most of us in the western world fail to understand.
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@Mokey said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
Publicity stunt.
@Stargazer said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
I don't think it's a publicity stunt at all. As I've mentioned before, people develop beliefs and opinions.
Frankly i think it's both.
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