Highlanders vs. Blues
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Perhaps SBW could get an alternative sponsor to NIB for example and donate the cash to the team funds? Now that he is in Auckland he could get the Newmarket Organic Bakery (you could have Kingsland Newmarket, if the spelling offends).
Maybe All Nippon Airways could add the Ltd to their logo and put that on his jersey? Should go in front of the bakery abbreviation.
Actually I couldn't care less about his antics, just want the teams he plays for now to do well.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
Yeah I'm a huge fan of how he plays. No matter what @MN5 says, the guy has put in and been a real asset to the AB squad. I personally don't think he did this to cause a stir. I saw it during the game and didn't even think a second thought. I was just hoping he'd wouldn't play well so the Landers would win.
I've seen other Super rugby players put tape on logos whether it's on compression gear or headgear. Those appear to be for financial and/or contractual purposes. This appears to be the same given its a contractual reason that has allowed him to tape over a sponsor.
It's neither here nor there for me. Bring on next week.
I've never said he wasn't a good player
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@ACT-Crusader said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
I personally don't think he did this to cause a stir.
Of all the headlines this guy has created over the years... this is the first time I believe he did do it to create a fuss. Not saying he doesn't believe in what he's doing, but there are any number of ways he could have handled it that wouldn't have created this distraction for his team.
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So he's released a statement ...
Which proves the SBW apologists right - learning religon etc ... but does nothing to change the view of those who view he did it the way he did for attention seeking purposes.
Divisive character!
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11837302
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Haha he's been a Muslim for 9 years and only now realised that Islam prohibits banks that charge interest? Nice one SBW.
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@Milk said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@ACT-Crusader said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
I personally don't think he did this to cause a stir.
Of all the headlines this guy has created over the years... this is the first time I believe he did do it to create a fuss. Not saying he doesn't believe in what he's doing, but there are any number of ways he could have handled it that wouldn't have created this distraction for his team.
I don't get this viewpoint at all. To me it smacks of wanting find a reason for his actions that fits in with an overall view of not liking the attention he gets.
I didn't even notice the tape during the game, it was my son that pointed it out to me during a front on replay. I was too busy looking to see what his comeback form was like.
If he wanted to attract attention he could have gone about things in a far more obvious way or released a statement before the game so everyone noticed.
To counter your point @Milk how could he have done this in a way that didn't cause a distraction? To me it looks like that's what he tried to do. No statement, no grandstanding, just a bit of tape and get on with the game.
It's the media that continues to highlight every time the guy farts. He makes easy headlines and stories.
Sure, some of his personal decisions make things even easier for them but I reckon you could take any number of players and , if placed under the microscope in the manner SBW is, would cough up headlines (Aaron Smith found that out, was he attention seeking?)
Was Micheal Jones attention seeking by not playing Sundays? Graeme Mourie by refusing to play SA?
I think SBW is tarred with the attention seeking brush because many of his acts and decisions have made headlines not just the odd one or two but that's not his fault, he doesn't put himself on the front page or top story. His only option is to completely tow the line and do nothing slightly out of the ordinary but why should he? He has his own life to live.
You'll probably also guess by now that I totally disagree with Bill English on this.
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@No-Quarter said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
Haha he's been a Muslim for 9 years and only now realised that Islam prohibits banks that charge interest? Nice one SBW.
I don't adhere to any faith whatsoever but it's pretty obvious that anyone who does will do so to any manner of degrees of adherence, knowledge or understanding depending on their personal viewpoints or requirements.
How many Catholics fully know or adhere to the tenets of that religion or follow it's 'rules' to the letter? How many would pick, choose and change their views over their lifetime?I'll get shot down by the usuals on this but I am starting to wonder whether much of the comment regarding this is because of the Muslim aspect? It is a religion that most of us in the western world fail to understand.
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@Mokey said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
Publicity stunt.
@Stargazer said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
I don't think it's a publicity stunt at all. As I've mentioned before, people develop beliefs and opinions.
Frankly i think it's both.
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@Crucial said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@No-Quarter said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
Haha he's been a Muslim for 9 years and only now realised that Islam prohibits banks that charge interest? Nice one SBW.
I don't adhere to any faith whatsoever but it's pretty obvious that anyone who does will do so to any manner of degrees of adherence, knowledge or understanding depending on their personal viewpoints or requirements.
How many Catholics fully know or adhere to the tenets of that religion or follow it's 'rules' to the letter? How many would pick, choose and change their views over their lifetime?I'll get shot down by the usuals on this but I am starting to wonder whether much of the comment regarding this is because of the Muslim aspect? It is a religion that most of us in the western world fail to understand.
I would say the majority of Catholics have never even read the bible. The majority of them are complete fucking idiots.
But that's beside the point.
Islam is not some mystical thing that us westerners cannot hope to understand. It's actually fairly straight forward - the Koran is basically a bunch of messages from "Allah" that dictate how a Muslim is meant to live his/her life. Far easier to decipher than the bible which is more a bunch of wildy contradictory stories about morality, and you're meant to try and draw your own conclusions on them. Which is why fundamentalist Christians like west boro contradict the shit out of themselves all the time.
But I won't go into that further as that's a topic of "Off-Topic", except to say I don't buy that SBW has suddenly realised Islam prohibits banks that charge interest. He just decided he's going to make a statement by taping over the logo without warning anyone, including his own fucking employer.
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@No-Quarter said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@Crucial said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@No-Quarter said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
Haha he's been a Muslim for 9 years and only now realised that Islam prohibits banks that charge interest? Nice one SBW.
I don't adhere to any faith whatsoever but it's pretty obvious that anyone who does will do so to any manner of degrees of adherence, knowledge or understanding depending on their personal viewpoints or requirements.
How many Catholics fully know or adhere to the tenets of that religion or follow it's 'rules' to the letter? How many would pick, choose and change their views over their lifetime?I'll get shot down by the usuals on this but I am starting to wonder whether much of the comment regarding this is because of the Muslim aspect? It is a religion that most of us in the western world fail to understand.
I would say the majority of Catholics have never even read the bible. The majority of them are complete fucking idiots.
But that's beside the point.
Islam is not some mystical thing that us westerners cannot hope to understand. It's actually fairly straight forward - the Koran is basically a bunch of messages from "Allah" that dictate how a Muslim is meant to live his/her life. Far easier to decipher than the bible which is more a bunch of wildy contradictory stories about morality, and you're meant to try and draw your own conclusions on them. Which is why fundamentalist Christians like west boro contradict the shit out of themselves all the time.
But I won't go into that further as that's a topic of "Off-Topic", except to say I don't buy that SBW has suddenly realised Islam prohibits banks that charge interest. He just decided he's going to make a statement by taping over the logo without warning anyone, including his own fucking employer.
I think you are simply re-enforcing my point there.
From my basic understanding there is no clear instruction in the Koran regarding 'Riba' as there is no clear definition or understanding of what it is or how it is defined. many Muslims will argue different views on the point just as Christians will argue points in the Bible (as you say).
It comes down to how you personally want to follow your faith.I agree that not informing his employer was a poor decision but disagree that he was 'making a statement' to anyone but himself. Has he preached to anyone that they should follow his beliefs? Ever?
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@No-Quarter said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@Crucial said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@No-Quarter said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
Haha he's been a Muslim for 9 years and only now realised that Islam prohibits banks that charge interest? Nice one SBW.
I don't adhere to any faith whatsoever but it's pretty obvious that anyone who does will do so to any manner of degrees of adherence, knowledge or understanding depending on their personal viewpoints or requirements.
How many Catholics fully know or adhere to the tenets of that religion or follow it's 'rules' to the letter? How many would pick, choose and change their views over their lifetime?I'll get shot down by the usuals on this but I am starting to wonder whether much of the comment regarding this is because of the Muslim aspect? It is a religion that most of us in the western world fail to understand.
I would say the majority of Catholics have never even read the bible. The majority of them are complete fucking idiots.
But that's beside the point.
Islam is not some mystical thing that us westerners cannot hope to understand. It's actually fairly straight forward - the Koran is basically a bunch of messages from "Allah" that dictate how a Muslim is meant to live his/her life. Far easier to decipher than the bible which is more a bunch of wildy contradictory stories about morality, and you're meant to try and draw your own conclusions on them. Which is why fundamentalist Christians like west boro contradict the shit out of themselves all the time.
But I won't go into that further as that's a topic of "Off-Topic", except to say I don't buy that SBW has suddenly realised Islam prohibits banks that charge interest. He just decided he's going to make a statement by taping over the logo without warning anyone, including his own fucking employer.
I agree with @Crucial. If you think Islam is that simple to understand, you're wrong. Islamic doctrine has several sources, not just the Qurʾān. There's also the Hadith, ijmāʿ and qiyās (in in Sunni Islam) or ijtihād (in Shiʿism). There are also different denominations, stemming from different schools of jurisprudence, who have different views on interpretation and application of Islamic law. So it is actually not that straight forward beyond the five pillars of Islam. As you said, this is off-topic, so I'm not going to say more about it.
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@Kirwan said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
So will he play games at Westpac Stadium? Where does he draw this silly line?
Does he return the portion of his salary contributed by these sponsors? Or is he happy to take their money?
Is that any of our business? Isn't that something between him and NZR/Blues, and between NZR/Blues and the sponsor?
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@No-Quarter said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@Crucial said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@No-Quarter said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
Haha he's been a Muslim for 9 years and only now realised that Islam prohibits banks that charge interest? Nice one SBW.
I don't adhere to any faith whatsoever but it's pretty obvious that anyone who does will do so to any manner of degrees of adherence, knowledge or understanding depending on their personal viewpoints or requirements.
How many Catholics fully know or adhere to the tenets of that religion or follow it's 'rules' to the letter? How many would pick, choose and change their views over their lifetime?I'll get shot down by the usuals on this but I am starting to wonder whether much of the comment regarding this is because of the Muslim aspect? It is a religion that most of us in the western world fail to understand.
I would say the majority of Catholics have never even read the bible. The majority of them are complete fucking idiots.
But I won't go into that further as that's a topic of "Off-Topic", except to say I don't buy that SBW has suddenly realised Islam prohibits banks that charge interest. He just decided he's going to make a statement by taping over the logo without warning anyone, including his own fucking employer.
This.
It's not even the start of the season. Last week was round 6. So the apologists are claiming that he only just realised he had a moral objection to banks and forgot to tell anyone before he actually took the field and was forced (the poor bugger just had no option) to tape over the logo? Piss off. He clearly aimed for this to have maximum effect. He could have easily announced this before the season and, of course, informed his bloody team about it so they could have removed the logo. But, that of course wouldn't make anywhere like the same statement. So much more effective to tape over the logo.
Look SBW is an incredible athlete and rugby player. He is 100% professional in terms of his training, nutrition, and commitment. It's no coincidence that his coaches rave about him and as far as I know his team mates have never had anything bad to say about him (well except the Bulldogs perhaps). But, surely even those who fap over the guy can see that this was an obvious publicity stunt?
And would people stop comparing this to Michael Jones. He actually had to make a massive sacrifice. Imagine having to give up an entire RWC, not to mentioned 2 semi-finals and dozens of other games. SBW has just opted out of having a sponsor on his jersey. Unless he's taking a pay cut for that, he isn't sacrificing a damn thing.
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@Stargazer said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@No-Quarter said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@Crucial said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@No-Quarter said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
Haha he's been a Muslim for 9 years and only now realised that Islam prohibits banks that charge interest? Nice one SBW.
I don't adhere to any faith whatsoever but it's pretty obvious that anyone who does will do so to any manner of degrees of adherence, knowledge or understanding depending on their personal viewpoints or requirements.
How many Catholics fully know or adhere to the tenets of that religion or follow it's 'rules' to the letter? How many would pick, choose and change their views over their lifetime?I'll get shot down by the usuals on this but I am starting to wonder whether much of the comment regarding this is because of the Muslim aspect? It is a religion that most of us in the western world fail to understand.
I would say the majority of Catholics have never even read the bible. The majority of them are complete fucking idiots.
But that's beside the point.
Islam is not some mystical thing that us westerners cannot hope to understand. It's actually fairly straight forward - the Koran is basically a bunch of messages from "Allah" that dictate how a Muslim is meant to live his/her life. Far easier to decipher than the bible which is more a bunch of wildy contradictory stories about morality, and you're meant to try and draw your own conclusions on them. Which is why fundamentalist Christians like west boro contradict the shit out of themselves all the time.
But I won't go into that further as that's a topic of "Off-Topic", except to say I don't buy that SBW has suddenly realised Islam prohibits banks that charge interest. He just decided he's going to make a statement by taping over the logo without warning anyone, including his own fucking employer.
I agree with @Crucial. If you think Islam is that simple to understand, you're wrong. Islamic doctrine has several sources, not just the Qurʾān. There's also the Hadith, ijmāʿ and qiyās (in in Sunni Islam) or ijtihād (in Shiʿism). There are also different denominations, stemming from different schools of jurisprudence, who have different views on interpretation and application of Islamic law. So it is actually not that straight forward beyond the five pillars of Islam. As you said, this is off-topic, so I'm not going to say more about it.
The Koran is the central holy text of Islam, and 'Riba' is mentioned and condemmed several times in it. Not that difficult to understand. This isn't some new "deep understanding" SBW has developed, it's fairly common knowledge even among non-Muslims. There's some debate about how it is punished, whether by Humans or Allah (the Koran points towards Allah), but the concept itself is fairly straightforward.
Happy to agree to disagree, this debate isn't really going anywhere now.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@No-Quarter said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@Crucial said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@No-Quarter said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
Haha he's been a Muslim for 9 years and only now realised that Islam prohibits banks that charge interest? Nice one SBW.
I don't adhere to any faith whatsoever but it's pretty obvious that anyone who does will do so to any manner of degrees of adherence, knowledge or understanding depending on their personal viewpoints or requirements.
How many Catholics fully know or adhere to the tenets of that religion or follow it's 'rules' to the letter? How many would pick, choose and change their views over their lifetime?I'll get shot down by the usuals on this but I am starting to wonder whether much of the comment regarding this is because of the Muslim aspect? It is a religion that most of us in the western world fail to understand.
I would say the majority of Catholics have never even read the bible. The majority of them are complete fucking idiots.
But I won't go into that further as that's a topic of "Off-Topic", except to say I don't buy that SBW has suddenly realised Islam prohibits banks that charge interest. He just decided he's going to make a statement by taping over the logo without warning anyone, including his own fucking employer.
This.
It's not even the start of the season. Last week was round 6. So the apologists are claiming that he only just realised he had a moral objection to banks and forgot to tell anyone before he actually took the field and was forced (the poor bugger just had no option) to tape over the logo? Piss off. He clearly aimed for this to have maximum effect. He could have easily announced this before the season and, of course, informed his bloody team about it so they could have removed the logo. But, that of course wouldn't make anywhere like the same statement. So much more effective to tape over the logo.
Look SBW is an incredible athlete and rugby player. He is 100% professional in terms of his training, nutrition, and commitment. It's no coincidence that his coaches rave about him and as far as I know his team mates have never had anything bad to say about him (well except the Bulldogs perhaps). But, surely even those who fap over the guy can see that this was an obvious publicity stunt?
And would people stop comparing this to Michael Jones. He actually had to make a massive sacrifice. Imagine having to give up an entire RWC, not to mentioned 2 semi-finals and dozens of other games. SBW has just opted out of having a sponsor on his jersey. Unless he's taking a pay cut for that, he isn't sacrificing a damn thing.
Where on earth does sacrifice come into things? Now you are just making shit up.
The reason I brought up the likes of Jones is that he made a stand based on his own beliefs that impacted on his team. Nothing to do with sacrifice.
Can you answer why you think SBW would want to carry out a publicity stunt? What purpose would it achieve?
It's not for promoting his religion as he has never anywhere preached or suggested others should follow his ideals.
It's not for money as what way can he profit from this.
That probably only leaves 'look at me, look at me!'. When you consider that he doesn't actively seek publicity any more than the average professional player this is a long bow to draw.
I get the point that people hate the way whatever he does grabs headlines, sometimes over better things to report on, but can you not grasp the fact that he doesn't write the headlines or talk on the radio or participate in the circus. It's others that feed off him not the other way around.
Yes, there are benefits to this increased profile as far as marketing incomes go but once again it is others (such as the NZRU and some of their sponsors that look to derive this benefit more than he does. If money and having his face on the TV is so important to him as you suggest then how come you don't see big endorsement contracts and campaigns from him?
I really do think that many people just hate the fact that he gets more coverage than they think he deserves (a good kiwi trait by the way to keep people humble) but blaming him for it is barking up the wrong tree. -
@Crucial said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@No-Quarter said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@Crucial said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
@No-Quarter said in Highlanders vs. Blues:
Haha he's been a Muslim for 9 years and only now realised that Islam prohibits banks that charge interest? Nice one SBW.
I don't adhere to any faith whatsoever but it's pretty obvious that anyone who does will do so to any manner of degrees of adherence, knowledge or understanding depending on their personal viewpoints or requirements.
How many Catholics fully know or adhere to the tenets of that religion or follow it's 'rules' to the letter? How many would pick, choose and change their views over their lifetime?I'll get shot down by the usuals on this but I am starting to wonder whether much of the comment regarding this is because of the Muslim aspect? It is a religion that most of us in the western world fail to understand.
I would say the majority of Catholics have never even read the bible. The majority of them are complete fucking idiots.
But I won't go into that further as that's a topic of "Off-Topic", except to say I don't buy that SBW has suddenly realised Islam prohibits banks that charge interest. He just decided he's going to make a statement by taping over the logo without warning anyone, including his own fucking employer.
This.
It's not even the start of the season. Last week was round 6. So the apologists are claiming that he only just realised he had a moral objection to banks and forgot to tell anyone before he actually took the field and was forced (the poor bugger just had no option) to tape over the logo? Piss off. He clearly aimed for this to have maximum effect. He could have easily announced this before the season and, of course, informed his bloody team about it so they could have removed the logo. But, that of course wouldn't make anywhere like the same statement. So much more effective to tape over the logo.
Look SBW is an incredible athlete and rugby player. He is 100% professional in terms of his training, nutrition, and commitment. It's no coincidence that his coaches rave about him and as far as I know his team mates have never had anything bad to say about him (well except the Bulldogs perhaps). But, surely even those who fap over the guy can see that this was an obvious publicity stunt?
And would people stop comparing this to Michael Jones. He actually had to make a massive sacrifice. Imagine having to give up an entire RWC, not to mentioned 2 semi-finals and dozens of other games. SBW has just opted out of having a sponsor on his jersey. Unless he's taking a pay cut for that, he isn't sacrificing a damn thing.
Where on earth does sacrifice come into things? Now you are just making shit up.
The reason I brought up the likes of Jones is that he made a stand based on his own beliefs that impacted on his team. Nothing to do with sacrifice.
Can you answer why you think SBW would want to carry out a publicity stunt? What purpose would it achieve?
It's not for promoting his religion as he has never anywhere preached or suggested others should follow his ideals.
It's not for money as what way can he profit from this.
That probably only leaves 'look at me, look at me!'. When you consider that he doesn't actively seek publicity any more than the average professional player this is a long bow to draw.
I get the point that people hate the way whatever he does grabs headlines, sometimes over better things to report on, but can you not grasp the fact that he doesn't write the headlines or talk on the radio or participate in the circus. It's others that feed off him not the other way around.
Yes, there are benefits to this increased profile as far as marketing incomes go but once again it is others (such as the NZRU and some of their sponsors that look to derive this benefit more than he does. If money and having his face on the TV is so important to him as you suggest then how come you don't see big endorsement contracts and campaigns from him?
I really do think that many people just hate the fact that he gets more coverage than they think he deserves (a good kiwi trait by the way to keep people humble) but blaming him for it is barking up the wrong tree.As far as I know, Jones didn't play on Sunday for his entire senior career, so if team didn't want to select him they didn't have to. He didn't just rock up mid-season and announce that he'd decided to ditch Sunday games. I just don't see the relevance in even comparing the two.
I have no idea why SBW would do something like this. Perhaps he loves the attention, perhaps he strives for cred in the Muslim community. But to seriously claim there was nothing calculated about him waiting until his first game back, without even telling his team, that he had a moral objection to the sponsor is utterly ridiculous.
Ok, let's look at it this way. Why didn't he inform the Blues prior to the season starting or his first game back about this new moral objection? Why have his profile picture taken with the logo? Why talk to the press while wearing the logo a couple of days before the game? Where was the moral objection then?
