Eligibility back on the agenda
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@Stargazer FFS....Yes Callum could potentially be a Wallaby, however, when he signed, I expect he knew he was all but giving away his dreams of an AB jersey, may even had his eyes on a Wallaby jersey, whereas in the future, that may not be the case...
I dont expect it wil be a problem at present with the way Aussie rugby is, but if strong, then maybe we might lose one or 2.
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@taniwharugby Would still need to meet the WR residency rule though.
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@Stargazer I think that's the point. Players would be less reluctant to head to Aus as they would still have the AB door open. And then would become eligible for Aus as another option...so in essence almost more inviting than staying in NZ.
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New Zealand Rugby pays its top players a lot of money. Why would we pay them money to go and play in another country most of the time? Having five teams gives us combinations and we get to see the best go head to head in derbies. If any player wants to go then they would have to take a massive pay cut and also be open to the same restrictions - for instance all All Blacks were rested for two Super Rugby games in the 2015.
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@hydro11 said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
New Zealand Rugby pays its top players a lot of money. Why would we pay them money to go and play in another country most of the time? Having five teams gives us combinations and we get to see the best go head to head in derbies. If any player wants to go then they would have to take a massive pay cut and also be open to the same restrictions - for instance all All Blacks were rested for two Super Rugby games in the 2015.
I see it the other way, the ARU pay a substantial amount of the money ABs get - the Super rugby part.
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@Nepia said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
@hydro11 said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
New Zealand Rugby pays its top players a lot of money. Why would we pay them money to go and play in another country most of the time? Having five teams gives us combinations and we get to see the best go head to head in derbies. If any player wants to go then they would have to take a massive pay cut and also be open to the same restrictions - for instance all All Blacks were rested for two Super Rugby games in the 2015.
I see it the other way, the ARU pay a substantial amount of the money ABs get - the Super rugby part.
I suppose but then other players will probably get that money.
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I think this would make a lot of sense for both NZ and Oz rugby.
Oz rugby is going rapidly down the pan. They need to boost their SR teams with skilled players - and where better source than across the Ta$man. For NZ, having their younger players playing in the same comp across the water is far better than having them hump off to Europe. It's a five-year window before they can declare. Sufficient time to assess project players and either bring them back or cap them in Oz in fifth year. The lure of the black geansai is strong.
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No fucking way.
The part where NZ would benefit from this ie. a quade (if he was good) type situation rarely occurs.
I don't see any benefit to NZ rugby in established guys playing in Australia other than their Super rugby salaries being paid by Amtge ARU. However the negatives are numerous. As already mentioned it could add to the already long list of NZ guys of the lower tier in Australia potentially becoming eligible for the Wallabies. It removes the control the NZRU have over player workloads,training and game time. It dillutes combinations between players it could also weaken NZ super rugby teams.
The strength of NZ rugby is largely due to it's systems of development, including at Super rugby level, it's not worth risking that by opening up the country to poaching of our top level by Australia. It's bad enough we have to compete with the NH clubs. -
@pukunui said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
The strength of NZ rugby is largely due to it's systems of development
This element seems to be overlooked. Right now, is there a single coach in charge of an Australian Super Rugby franchise you'd be happy to see in charge of the development of a potential All Black?
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@antipodean said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
@pukunui said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
The strength of NZ rugby is largely due to it's systems of development
This element seems to be overlooked. Right now, is there a single coach in charge of an Australian Super Rugby franchise you'd be happy to see in charge of the development of a potential All Black?
Is there a single coach anywhere outside of NZ you'd be happy to see in charge of the development of a potential All Black?
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@Pot-Hale There's some talented coaches internationally, however, I can't help but feel a great deal of it is the depth of talent that drives the standards. As Porsche says; competition improves the breed.
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NZ has the systems, coaches and players. It should put a value on that.
Oz rugby is dysfunctional currently. But NZ needs a healthy Oz rugby system. For a myriad of reasons including commercial. I reckon it's in NZ rugby long-term interests to support Oz rugby - but be paid for it too.
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@Pot-Hale It's been supporting Australian rugby for (at least) four decades. How much more does it require? With the advent of professionalism, it's no longer the same landscape as the threat of a professional code (league). Australians unsurprisingly only support winners; so to what level would New Zealand have to become less competitive to make Australians maintain an interest in rugby..?
THere's no doubt the benefit accrues from playing a Super Rugby competition; coaches are on record saying the experience of going to South Africa and playing there is invaluable for young/ inexperienced players but IIRC the All Blacks was the only level in the NZR that is of net financial benefit.
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I've no doubt it has supported it. I'm saying that additional support comes at a price for the ARU.
In SR and test. I'd have NZ run Oz rugby for say 10-12 years. Pool revenues and split them 60/40 in NZ favour.
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Tamati Ellison was another who could have been good enough to pick, particularly when we lost a few midfielders.
Reckon NZR could guard against the @taniwharugby scenario by contracting players who want to play in Aus to ensure they play NPC so they won't qualify on residency. And also place conditions on them that they would have to write into any Aussie contract.
I can see a degree of upside.
Why isn't Retallick eligible? Are you talking NZR's own criteria because he is still eligible under WR?
Garden-Bachop is another guy who is an NZer playing in Aus.
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Anybody seen this, and gone hmmmm, huh WTF?
Does he have Welsh heritage? Or does he not know the residency rule has been extended to 5 years? and he will be 32 by the time he would be eligible if we lived in an alternative universe where he wasn't already tied to SAF by 7s.
Wikipedia say he has played for South Africa Sevens ....
But the article is a delicious sook whinge, apparently one coach, who is no longer employed in that position, is enough motivation to change countries.
Good adulting Clayton.
You have every right to take up a different job, this doesn't require a childish justification for your reasons.
Cheetahs full-back Clayton Blommetjies eyes Wales route after Boks snub
News, features and match reports from The Rugby Paper, the UK-based newspaper which specialises in rugby union at all levels ready for your viewing every Sunday of the year.
CLAYTON Blommetjies hopes his move to the Scarlets can help him one day star for Wales and emulate his hero Shane Williams.
The Cheetahs full-back will arrive in Llanelli next season and his side stepping ability and sheer pace mark him out as a player to watch.The 27-year-old believes Wayne Pivac can help him to earn international honours after being snubbed by the Springboks.
“Shane is one of the players who inspired me to pick up a rugby ball,” Blommetjies told The Rugby Paper.
“He was as small guy like me and he didn’t try to run into people, he ran past them.
“He was a great player because he was an all-rounder. He could catch the ball out of the air, he could kick, he was fast, he had great hands and his sidestep was world class.
“Maybe I can turn out as a Wales international one day. Everything I am going to do at the Scarlets will be geared towards becoming a Wales international.”
Blommetjies hails from Boland in South Africa’s Western Cape and grew up dreaming of representing the Boks.
But the former Blue Bulls star has given up on ever representing the Rainbow Nation after what he sees as unfair treatment from former South Africa head coach Allister Coetzee.
“I don’t even think about wearing the green and gold anymore because I never had an opportunity to do it,” he said.
“Last year in Super Rugby I was playing the best rugby of my career and the coach Franco Smith told me you are good enough to become a Springbok at the end of the year.
“But Allister picked players ahead of me not because of how they played throughout the year, but because they were his favourites.
“Players like Elton Jantjies were selected because he knew them.
“After that I thought I’m not going to fight for the green and gold anymore, I want to go overseas and when my agent told me he had an offer from the Scarlets, I said yes immediately.”
The diminutive runner reckons the Scarlets’ attacking flair can get the best out of him.
He added: “One of the reasons I have joined the Scarlets is their brand of rugby.
“As a full-back whenever I receive the ball from deep my first instinct is to counter attack and not to kick like some other players. I want to win silverware and I think we can achieve that at the Scarlets.”
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@arhs said in Eligibility back on the agenda:
Ridiculous article. He played the Scottish sevens on the IRB circuit in 2012! End of story.
Ridiculous article.
Ridiculous ignorance by Blommeties and his management.For more ignorance, check out this article.
Although I'm not sure if it is just the ignorance by the journalist on the effective date of the new residency eligibilty rulesThe Cheetahs fullback will arrive in Llanelli in time for the start of next season and believes Wayne Pivac’s side will be the perfect fit for his attacking brand of rugby.
The South African will arrive in Wales before World Rugby raises its residency qualification period for international players from three to five years in 2020.
“Everything I am going to do at the Scarlets will be geared towards becoming a Wales international.”
No, if he wasn't already nation-tied to SAF - he would have needed to have moved before December 31 2017,
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The Olympic loophole is slightly different. The residency period still seems to be 3 years. He would, however, have to change nationality.
8.7 A Player who is a national of the country or Union for which he has been captured under Regulation 8.2 and who holds the nationality of another country or Union, may apply to participate in an Olympic Event to represent his new country or Union subject to the following conditions; 8.7.1 The application of a Player under this Regulation 8.7 must be submitted by the Union which the Player wishes to next represent in an Olympic Event (or a Union associated with the Olympic Sevens Team the Player wishes to represent) to the Regulations Committee with all relevant supporting documentation at least one month in advance of the Player’s intended first participation for the new Union or Olympic Sevens Team. The application shall be pre-notified to the Player’s Union (namely the Union whose National Representative Team the Player represented or a Union associated with the Olympic Sevens Team, as applicable); 8.7.2 The Player as at the time of the consideration of his application by the Regulations Committee must have observed and be able to demonstrate a stand down period of at least three (3) years since the time the Player last represented his former Union and the time the Player first plays for the second Union or country, which must be in an Olympic Event. The Player may not represent the second Union in any other form of the Game until after he has participated in such Olympic Event. 8.7.3 The Player’s new Union or Olympic Sevens Team must not have already qualified for the Olympic Games (in the same gender as the Player) as at the time of the Player’s intended first participation for the new Union or Olympic Sevens Team, as applicable.And then, of course, he'd have to comply with all requirements of the Olympic loophole, to be allowed to play XVs for Wales. So same legal situation as Charles Piutau playing for Tonga ... only without the family and cultural ties.
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This is complete horseshit from Blommetjies. Jurie Roux made it clear last August that players in PRO14 SA teams would automatically be considered for selection to the Boks. Erasmus has now widened this to include every SA player no matter where they play. Erasmus would have seen him play first hand in the Cheetahs games vs Munster home and away as well as the usual paths for selection.
I can’t see Wales selecting a 31 year old 10/15 although Hadleigh Parkes might disagree.
