Peyper Stats Vs AB
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@Billy-Tell said in Peyper Stats Vs AB:
I have to say when Peyper first came on the scene I had high hopes. His first few Super Rugby games were very good. He has been poor in recent times, he had a mare for Eng vs Fiji opening game of RWC.
Just give us Gardiner for every game please. Otherwise Owens or Garcès.
Wasn't averse to the Froggy guy we had in Chi town. Generally good. Very little to complain about. (Only had a minor quibble being the inconsistency around obstruction at kick off.)
Mind tou Stuart Dickenson was a GREAT ref when he started.
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@booboo said in Peyper Stats Vs AB:
@Billy-Tell said in Peyper Stats Vs AB:
I have to say when Peyper first came on the scene I had high hopes. His first few Super Rugby games were very good. He has been poor in recent times, he had a mare for Eng vs Fiji opening game of RWC.
Just give us Gardiner for every game please. Otherwise Owens or Garcès.
Wasn't averse to the Froggy guy we had in Chi town. Generally good. Very little to complain about. (Only had a minor quibble being the inconsistency around obstruction at kick off.)
Mind tou Stuart Dickenson was a GREAT ref when he started.
Let's be clear on this. Stuart Dickenson was only ever a great ref in his own mind. Along with Wayne "scrum expert" Erickson. I always thought Dickenson was a closet soccer fan getting revenge on the 15-man code: absolutely no feel for the game, or an appreciation of the fact fans pay money to be entertained, not watch a game ruined by pedantry.
calms down, yeah I have no complaints about the French ref in Chicago, none whatsoever.
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Weirdly Wayne Erickson was awesome when he stated too ...
Conversely Clive Norling was the worst fluffybunny in tighty tight pants ever to blow a whistle when he started and he turned out pretty good.
I suppose refs can change.
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This numbers could be wrong, as I wasn't able to take the figures out of Excel, but:
Out of 13 matches, on 10 occasions New Zealand conceded more penalties than the opposition.
Against the SH opposition the average penalty count is roughly 10 apiece. Against NH opposition, New Zealand conceded 200% of the oppositions penalty count.
If we take the view that the match in the US was an away match, it is interesting to note that New Zealand also concede just over 200% of the opposition penalty count away from home. It is only at home that there is any parity between the two.
Now, I'm suspicious of penalty count comparisons as if you give away a penalty but the opposition score on the advantage, then there is no penalty. This has happened plenty.
But, looking at these figures one would have to take the view that New Zealand, independently of the referee, give away more penalties than the opposition. With home advantage, New Zealand reduce the number of penalties conceded somewhat, and the opposition concede somewhat more, but New Zealand still concede 5% more penalties than the opposition.
You won all but one of these matches by the way. You won all the matches with Peyper.
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@reprobate said in Peyper Stats Vs AB:
tries under advantage - we scored 38 and conceded 5 in the rugby
Yeah, I'm sure a few of those were under advantage. I doubt if there was a global referring conspiracy against New Zealand, that New Zealand would have scored 38 tries and conceded only 5 in the Rugby Championship.
@Bones said in Peyper Stats Vs AB:
Suspicious of penalty count comparisons.....but then I'll just go ahead and say NZ give away more penalties. Riiiiight.
NZ do give away more penalties, no matter what way you dice it.
I'm suspicious of the value to be attached to such a metric, and what is to be read from it.
I'd love to see someone do in the stats the amount of times that advantage is signaled in a match. My suspicion is that New Zealand, being the best team in the world, in particular being the best attacking team in the world, are the best able to score from situations like that - thereby making these stats look skewed.
