All Blacks v Ireland II
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@ACT-Crusader said in Ireland II:
@akan004 said in Ireland II:
@Virgil Unfortunately all this whinging from the opposition is having an impact on how the refs are perceiving the ABs. The fact that they are the most penalised team in world rugby is largely due to this.
Mind reader in your time off are you?
I don't think what fans or media say has any major influence on what a ref does in the heat of the moment during a test match.
This is a direct quote from Shag.
"I think we get our share if not more and I think there is a perception that says look at the All Blacks and not the other team. Sub consciously I'm saying I don't think that is consciously. Look at the last game 14: 4 is not a balanced game is it, it's not reality."
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@akan004 said in Ireland II:
@ACT-Crusader said in Ireland II:
@akan004 said in Ireland II:
@Virgil Unfortunately all this whinging from the opposition is having an impact on how the refs are perceiving the ABs. The fact that they are the most penalised team in world rugby is largely due to this.
Mind reader in your time off are you?
I don't think what fans or media say has any major influence on what a ref does in the heat of the moment during a test match.
This is a direct quote from Shag.
"I think we get our share if not more and I think there is a perception that says look at the All Blacks and not the other team. Sub consciously I'm saying I don't think that is consciously. Look at the last game 14: 4 is not a balanced game is it, it's not reality."
Careful Shag, that's sounding dangerously Cheika-istic.
I would prefer if anonymous internet idiots like ourselves said such things, not the AB coach.
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It wouldnt surprise me if we end up in a similar situation as AFL,
Where if a player gets hurt from contact to the head , the tackler is responsible even in a accident , because it his duty of care to make sure the head does not come into contact ,
I hope not,
but there almost seems to be a push to go in that direction in the NH , judging by the last week
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@akan004 said in Ireland II:
@ACT-Crusader said in Ireland II:
@akan004 said in Ireland II:
@Virgil Unfortunately all this whinging from the opposition is having an impact on how the refs are perceiving the ABs. The fact that they are the most penalised team in world rugby is largely due to this.
Mind reader in your time off are you?
I don't think what fans or media say has any major influence on what a ref does in the heat of the moment during a test match.
This is a direct quote from Shag.
"I think we get our share if not more and I think there is a perception that says look at the All Blacks and not the other team. Sub consciously I'm saying I don't think that is consciously. Look at the last game 14: 4 is not a balanced game is it, it's not reality."
Yeah I saw that and if Shag really believes that then I still reckon it's rubbish.
Alternatively we have seen coaches that like to throw a couple of hand grenades out there hoping one will explode and have the journos picking up the debris to keep pushing what the coach thinks.
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@ACT-Crusader I posted the interview in the FRance thread, when in the context of what he is talking about it makes sense.
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@beardie said in Ireland II:
So "World Rugby boss Alain Rolland admits to All Blacks that Aaron Smith yellow card was wrong" .
That adds some more spice, doesn't it?
That
That article really is a pile of tripe. assuming Rolland did call Hansen and say the Smith YC was wrong, how come Stuff knew about it. Did someone in the NZ camp reveal this to the press? If so is that any better than Kearney bleating about things after the match? Stuff then goes on to selectively quote Jerry Guscott about "whispering" the refs need to look closer at the All Blacks.He didn't whisper it, it was part of a full article on the BBC and it was mainly very complimentary about the All Blacks - I posted it earlier n this thread.
Honestly it is shit like this that fuels the paranoia about woe is us, they're all out to get us 'cos we keep winning. It's just complete shit.
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@Catogrande agree totally about the Guscott smear. Cheap and nasty. Guscotts comments in original context related to the speed they play, a good and fair comment.
Hansen today mentioned Rolland told him on monday. It's on that radio link someone posted (two links, last third on the first and a couple of minutes of the 2nd).
Hansens parts are worth a listen. Honest and based on realty I reckon. That hansen waits till thursday to mention it reflects well on him
These links. 10 mins into this one http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2016.11.24-17.00.00-D.mp3
Start of this one http://120.138.20.16/WeekOnDemand/radiosport/2016.11.17-17.15.00-D.mp3
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@Catogrande stuff had a bullshit headline about Guscott and when you read the story it bore no resemblance what the headline inferred and was actually quite interesting.
Have you noticed theres a whole thread about how shit Stuff is? They tried to merge with ME this year and when the commerce commission turned them down they used the hashtag #stuffme on twitter.
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@jegga said in Ireland II:
@Catogrande stuff had a bullshit headline about Guscott and when you read the story it bore no resemblance what the headline inferred and was actually quite interesting.
Have you noticed theres a whole thread about how shit Stuff is? They tried to merge with ME this year and when the commerce commission turned them down they used the hashtag #stuffme on twitter.
Another reminder to resist judging a group of people by the slop their media dishes up
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haha gold....
Francis also pointed the finger at Read for detaching from a scrum and attacking a ball under the feet of Irish No 8 Jamie Heaslip with the tryline beckoning.
"In most referees' books that was a penalty try and a yellow card. Read looked at Peyper and Peyper looked at Read as if to say 'sorry old bean, diplomatic immunity'. What did it for me was the lack of embarrassment from both men.
Peyper's Dublin effort, where the All Blacks gained revenge for their historic loss to Ireland in Chicago, continues to leave Francis shaking his head.
"If there had been a strong referee in charge this would have been a completely different game. I'm not saying Ireland could or would have won it but the Lord of the Flies element would have been taken out of the game," Francis wrote for the Irish Independent.
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Have to pity the guy, there's no way in hell he gets any enjoyment from watching the game. Outrage at every turn, it must be bloody exhausting yelling at the TV for every possible perceived incident that doesn't go your teams way.
I, like most on here, thoughrolly enjoyed both tests - they were absolute classics in different ways. Chicago was open running rugby played at pace. Dublin both teams tightened right up and it was a real war of attrition. Test rugby doesn't get any better than that.
As I said, I honestly pity people like that who were not able to enjoy those matches for what they were.
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@jegga i saw that and was debating with myself about posting it. Decided I was going to but hlad you've done it for me.
Didn't realise the extent of the love for France in Ireland that he feels the need to bring up 5 year old lies and try link that to some week old lies in an effort to besmirch All Bkack rugby. Rather sad and pathetic really.
Yes a lot (LOT) of people really REALLY want to believe the ABs gog the rub if the ref in 2011. But saying it over and over, and even believing it, doesn't make it true.
If someone can go through the game and list ALL the offenses that the ABs committed can they please do so.
The ABs were so so damn careful not yo offend in that second half. And they didn't.
Further Joubert's incorrect calls favoured France massively.
I'll admit to being somewhat Pavlovian when this outright lie gets bought up. I HAVE to respond (much like "Poaching") just in case even one prebiously ignorant becomes better informed. Otherwise "Edmund Burke's over-used adage is sadly still relevant here: 'The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing'."
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@booboo the same people who want to believe we stole the 2011 game are usually the same people who refuse to admit we were shafted in 2007. The Irish reaction to that game online and according to the posters who had the misfortune to interact with them in real life was appalling. I guess the embarrassing behaviour from their press and that whiny manchild Best this week shouldn't really come as too much of a surprise ,
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@jegga 2007 was just righting previous wrongs.
I expect there will be another major correction in due course to put us back in our box and appease the rumours that the evil NZ Rugby Corporation doesn't actually run world rugby due to its financial clout it wields over the poverty stricken English and French boards.
Stuff
