All Blacks v Ireland II
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@Crucial said in Ireland II:
Went back to watch some more.
There was a different shot of the Dagg/Stander one and there is contact with the head. Most likely one of the ones looked at as suspected but also easy to dismiss. It is Stander charging that initiates contact, Dagg more bracing for impact than driving forward. Worth a look but nothing deliberate.
However, here's the crunch. Moody gets pinged for a high tackle (which is exactly one of these ones I described where the Irish ball carrier leads with the head). Bit clumsy from Moody as he hooks the arm around the neck. Fair penalty but nothing more. What then happens is that the Irish commentators say "this is getting ridiculous now, every single breakdown there are shoulder charges and high tackles. It has to stop. It has to be dealt with".
Now this is the seed that has surely been planted in the fans minds. It is nothing like that at all. There has been one accidental collision, one possible shoulder to shoulder from Coles (which the comms didn't even notice) and one grab around the head on a charging player offering no other place to grab (not an excuse, a fact). Meanwhile it is being escalated among the fans that there is a malicious plan from the ABs to play dirty.
I note that this is all during a good period of play from the Irish that isn't getting them much reward and frustration is building especially with the penalty only call on Read detaching.I also haven't seen too much out of the ordinary decision wise from Peyper. I disagree with the call on Smith, but then other refs may agree with it. Again, the comms have made it look like he isn't in control by disputing his handling of the Cane/Henshaw incident, making out that he was very unsure about the BB grounding but bottled it (it actually sounds to me like he is simply trying to make sure he hears the TMO correctly and there aren't crossed wires as the crowd is making a racket over the replays), and then intimating that he is allowing the ABs to target heads and do shoulder charges every ruck. In fact the only one he missed was the Dagg one and he may have actually made a judgement on that.
I actually think the post match assessment on Peyper up to this point is probably quite good although you would point out that the team should make sure they don't miss the wood for the trees when looking at a try replay. They really should have noticed the high tackle even if they dismissed it.
Around the 20 minute mark peyper missed a blatant knock forward that set up about 10 minutes of Irish pressure and smiths yellow card. Also straight after this SOB made the turnover wilhile he was lying horizontal on the ground. There was also the incident where toner dived conmpletely over the ruck onto retallick (I think) no attempt to stay on feet,
That was just I. The first 30 minutes I think.
Also he pinged smith just before toners by going off his feet where the Irish clearly dragged him on to their side.
I thought he was shit
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@Kruse Thanks chap. Kearney is a dick for coming out with that.
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@Catogrande
Yeah - he just spouts a lot of stupid shit, some dick reporter repeats some of the worst parts of it multiple times and slaps a provocative headline up the top.
I'm assuming Schmidt would be fuming at that, especially if he considers he's lumped in with "Irish bosses". -
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I'm looking forward to Irish love fest over the Aussies. They will be all "So glad those awful New Zealander's have left, God we love Australia"
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Fekitoa will be banned.
When do we find out if Cane successfully argued his case?
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So has anyone managed to organise the third test yet, or are yiz all still grumbling about who said what?
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@Wreck-Diver said in Ireland II:
here's the video if you haven't seen it. I think he wants the Lions spin doctor role that Clive Dickwood created
It's pretty average coming out in public like that. If you've got a problem sort it out behind closed doors. Don't bleat in the media.. It gets more like soccer everyday.
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Yet more whingeing
'The game is in serious trouble, because this is a disgrace' - Paul Kimmage on bruising Ireland v All Blacks clash
Paul Kimmage says rugby needs to address the issue of dangerous tackles in the sport, which overshadowed New Zealand's win over Ireland at the Aviva Stadiu...
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Fekitoa got a one week ban. No news on Sam Cane yet...
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@kiwiinmelb So at home we were plus 4 in 7 matches (we were out-penalised only twice) conceding one card. Away we are plus 25 in 6 matches (out-penalised only once) conceding 7 cards.
The two Ireland games (plus 18 and three cards) seem to be skewing the figures - along with that farcical 2nd half in Buenos Aires.
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Did Israel Dagg manage to decapitate any Irish player last weekend?
Rumour has it that he may "be headed" to Leinster next season. Chortle, chortle.
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@booboo said in Ireland II:
All is right with the World.
The Irish are fluffybunnys once more, not the loveable losers that we can happily concede a one off defeat to ...
I mean they could have doied.
They could have. Make no mistake about that. But thankfully they escaped from the murderous clutches of the New Zealand rugby team before anything really bad could happen. These "exhibition matches" can be dangerous events, you know.
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@Billy-Tell That's an epic whinge packed into a short report of a radio interview.
Here's the highlights:
I thought I was at the Colosseum on Saturday night...
deeply, deeply disturbing
The game is in serious trouble, because this is a disgrace
What happened to Robbie Henshaw is a disgrace
I think there was three head injuries, a number of neck injuries
The All Blacks raped my grandma and poured sugar in my petrol tank. -
@Tregaskis said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell That's an epic whinge packed into a short report of a radio interview.
Here's the highlights:
I thought I was at the Colosseum on Saturday night...
deeply, deeply disturbing
The game is in serious trouble, because this is a disgrace
What happened to Robbie Henshaw is a disgrace
I think there was three head injuries, a number of neck injuries
The All Blacks raped my grandma and poured sugar in my petrol tank.Paul Kimmage has been winding himself up into a lather on rugby for some time, and he has them now firmly in the crosshairs of his crusading sights. It's not really a New Zealand thing, it's more, well, all of rugby really.
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@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@Tregaskis said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell That's an epic whinge packed into a short report of a radio interview.
Here's the highlights:
I thought I was at the Colosseum on Saturday night...
deeply, deeply disturbing
The game is in serious trouble, because this is a disgrace
What happened to Robbie Henshaw is a disgrace
I think there was three head injuries, a number of neck injuries
The All Blacks raped my grandma and poured sugar in my petrol tank.Paul Kimmage has been winding himself up into a lather on rugby for some time, and he has them now firmly in the crosshairs of his crusading sights. It's not really a New Zealand thing, it's more, well, all of rugby really.
Ah look I know you are Irish Poth Ale, and I know Kimmage is not really a rugby-head, but the Indo is just publishing these articles one after the other. I would hate to have fought alongside an Irishman in one of the world wars, "harden up" is just not an Irish characteristic. If the Irish win it's Guinness all round, and if you lose it's salt and vinegar chips (extra strong), seasoned with bitter lemons. What cracks me up is Irish rugby fans go on and on and on and on about the Welsh being poor losers etc, and I feel like saying "you can buy a mirror cheaply at the €2 shop". Yes, there are exceptions and we have had a couple of very balanced irish posters here, but in general whether it's Irish websites, English websites, the Roar that you frequent, the rugby forum, planet rugby, it's just a whinge-fest from irish posters. Not to mention the hypocrisy - the depths some Irish went to defend SOB's punch against France in the RWC pool match last year were just risible. Then you see irish media manager go on.
I would love to hear Schmidt go "would you please shut the f up, we got beaten by a side that defended better than we attacked, end of story"
As pointed out by others, if it's always external factors that explain your losses, you'll never take a hard look at what the Irish team could/should do better.
The French game this week will be a breath of fresh air.
As an aside, I'm picking Australia to beat ireland but (sadly) lose to England. I hope Ireland beat England though in the 6N
a) Because it's England
b) Because England with 19 consecutive test victories would require Ireland to export me some of its choicest lemons to suck on. -
@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
@Tregaskis said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell That's an epic whinge packed into a short report of a radio interview.
Here's the highlights:
I thought I was at the Colosseum on Saturday night...
deeply, deeply disturbing
The game is in serious trouble, because this is a disgrace
What happened to Robbie Henshaw is a disgrace
I think there was three head injuries, a number of neck injuries
The All Blacks raped my grandma and poured sugar in my petrol tank.Paul Kimmage has been winding himself up into a lather on rugby for some time, and he has them now firmly in the crosshairs of his crusading sights. It's not really a New Zealand thing, it's more, well, all of rugby really.
Is he the head injury crusade guy? What's his background?
