All Blacks v Ireland II
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@ACT-Crusader said in Ireland II:
@Catogrande said in Ireland II:
The stat about the further incidents referred by the citing commissioner intrigues me. I've never heard of this information being made public before.
Odd.
I think we are being sold a pup on this one. The wheels of spin started during the test match and it's been spinning out of control since the final whistle. I don't pay it much attention because if you do it will do your head in.
On the test, wasn't it refreshing to not see Owen Franks give away the first penalty of the test
If its true, and I have no reason to believe it. Shows just how shiity a job the assistant did. Recommends 12 things to the citing commissioner, who says harden up we'll look at 2 of them.
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@Catogrande said in Ireland II:
@mooshld said in Ireland II:
I am not surprised by this reaction at all. You never beat the
Irishwives, they are always the victims of some injustice it seems. But if they beat you, oh you better be a good loser take it in your stride and accept it or you will never hear the end of it.Source: Wife
is Irish.
FixedOr, more simply,
Never right. Married. -
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
I'm calling bullshit on this claim that the citing commissioner decided 11 AB actions required a look at and 1 Ireland one.
For starters when has anyone ever seen these type of stats before? They aren't provided for the simple fact that they get misused. Even if they were correct (and not exaggerated by the Irish management) They narrative seems to be that the ABs are horrendous because 11!! incidents needed a look yet the one Irish one was cleared. Hello, that also means 9 AB ones were cleared of wrongdoing as well you pillocks.
You know, I think I recall reading somewhere that something weird happened and the CC couldn't watch the game so someone else did and submitted that number of instances to him to review, of which he identified 3.
Does that sound familiar to anyone else?
In which case, yes it's a bullshit stat that would only ever exist in rare circumstances whereby someone unqualified and with no authority reviews a game.
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@mooshld said in Ireland II:
@ACT-Crusader said in Ireland II:
@Catogrande said in Ireland II:
The stat about the further incidents referred by the citing commissioner intrigues me. I've never heard of this information being made public before.
Odd.
I think we are being sold a pup on this one. The wheels of spin started during the test match and it's been spinning out of control since the final whistle. I don't pay it much attention because if you do it will do your head in.
On the test, wasn't it refreshing to not see Owen Franks give away the first penalty of the test
If its true, and I have no reason to believe it. Shows just how shiity a job the assistant did. Recommends 12 things to the citing commissioner, who says harden up we'll look at 2 of them.
Silly thing is they also claim they they made no after match referrals to the CC. They are trying to tell everyone that the CC alone saw 12 things to look at and only one of them from Ireland.
They know that no one will come out publicly to dispute this claim so have thrown it out there as an excuse as to why they were beaten.As others have said, long may this train of thought remain in Irish rugby. They will never top the world by making excuses for themselves and looking elsewhere for reasons.
Plain fact is that they thought they were better than they were because they played one very good game against a side that was off it's game on the day. The took penalty shots when they had the ABs on the ropes twice because they thought they were so far on top they would get more chances again anyway (Best said so when questioned).
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@nostrildamus said in Ireland II:
@Catogrande said in Ireland II:
@mooshld said in Ireland II:
I am not surprised by this reaction at all. You never beat the
Irishwives, they are always the victims of some injustice it seems. But if they beat you, oh you better be a good loser take it in your stride and accept it or you will never hear the end of it.Source: Wife
is Irish.
FixedOr, more simply,
Never right. Married.Ha! Reminds me of the famous add in the classified section of some paper:-
For sale: Entire edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica. Newly married. Wife knows fucking everything.
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@Crucial Who is the "they" being referred to? All I have seen is some random suggestion. No source attached?
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@Catogrande - Mick Kearney - according to Press Assocation
"Ireland team manager Mick Kearney confirmed the citing officer raised 12 incidents -- 11 relating to New Zealand" -
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
Went back to watch some more.
There was a different shot of the Dagg/Stander one and there is contact with the head. Most likely one of the ones looked at as suspected but also easy to dismiss. It is Stander charging that initiates contact, Dagg more bracing for impact than driving forward. Worth a look but nothing deliberate.
However, here's the crunch. Moody gets pinged for a high tackle (which is exactly one of these ones I described where the Irish ball carrier leads with the head). Bit clumsy from Moody as he hooks the arm around the neck. Fair penalty but nothing more. What then happens is that the Irish commentators say "this is getting ridiculous now, every single breakdown there are shoulder charges and high tackles. It has to stop. It has to be dealt with".
Now this is the seed that has surely been planted in the fans minds. It is nothing like that at all. There has been one accidental collision, one possible shoulder to shoulder from Coles (which the comms didn't even notice) and one grab around the head on a charging player offering no other place to grab (not an excuse, a fact). Meanwhile it is being escalated among the fans that there is a malicious plan from the ABs to play dirty.
I note that this is all during a good period of play from the Irish that isn't getting them much reward and frustration is building especially with the penalty only call on Read detaching.I also haven't seen too much out of the ordinary decision wise from Peyper. I disagree with the call on Smith, but then other refs may agree with it. Again, the comms have made it look like he isn't in control by disputing his handling of the Cane/Henshaw incident, making out that he was very unsure about the BB grounding but bottled it (it actually sounds to me like he is simply trying to make sure he hears the TMO correctly and there aren't crossed wires as the crowd is making a racket over the replays), and then intimating that he is allowing the ABs to target heads and do shoulder charges every ruck. In fact the only one he missed was the Dagg one and he may have actually made a judgement on that.
I actually think the post match assessment on Peyper up to this point is probably quite good although you would point out that the team should make sure they don't miss the wood for the trees when looking at a try replay. They really should have noticed the high tackle even if they dismissed it.
Around the 20 minute mark peyper missed a blatant knock forward that set up about 10 minutes of Irish pressure and smiths yellow card. Also straight after this SOB made the turnover wilhile he was lying horizontal on the ground. There was also the incident where toner dived conmpletely over the ruck onto retallick (I think) no attempt to stay on feet,
That was just I. The first 30 minutes I think.
Also he pinged smith just before toners by going off his feet where the Irish clearly dragged him on to their side.
I thought he was shit
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@Kruse Thanks chap. Kearney is a dick for coming out with that.
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@Catogrande
Yeah - he just spouts a lot of stupid shit, some dick reporter repeats some of the worst parts of it multiple times and slaps a provocative headline up the top.
I'm assuming Schmidt would be fuming at that, especially if he considers he's lumped in with "Irish bosses". -
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I'm looking forward to Irish love fest over the Aussies. They will be all "So glad those awful New Zealander's have left, God we love Australia"
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Fekitoa will be banned.
When do we find out if Cane successfully argued his case?
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So has anyone managed to organise the third test yet, or are yiz all still grumbling about who said what?
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@Wreck-Diver said in Ireland II:
here's the video if you haven't seen it. I think he wants the Lions spin doctor role that Clive Dickwood created
It's pretty average coming out in public like that. If you've got a problem sort it out behind closed doors. Don't bleat in the media.. It gets more like soccer everyday.
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Yet more whingeing
'The game is in serious trouble, because this is a disgrace' - Paul Kimmage on bruising Ireland v All Blacks clash
Paul Kimmage says rugby needs to address the issue of dangerous tackles in the sport, which overshadowed New Zealand's win over Ireland at the Aviva Stadiu...
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Fekitoa got a one week ban. No news on Sam Cane yet...
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@kiwiinmelb So at home we were plus 4 in 7 matches (we were out-penalised only twice) conceding one card. Away we are plus 25 in 6 matches (out-penalised only once) conceding 7 cards.
The two Ireland games (plus 18 and three cards) seem to be skewing the figures - along with that farcical 2nd half in Buenos Aires.
