All Blacks v Ireland II
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Something which isn't being taken into account and I'd say would have a heavy bearing on slanted stats - NZ play out the advantage a lot. And I mean a lot. Be it a penalty advantage in our half that turns into a breakaway into the oppo half, or just a penalty 5 out that more often than not gets turned into a try.
If NZ give away a penalty advantage, the opposition more often than not gets shutdown, so the penalty is awarded.
Edit: Actually, it'd be interesting to see how many of our tries this year were scored under penalty advantage.
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@Bones good point!
Although doesnt change the fact we are just thugs that play rugby!
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@taniwharugby said in Ireland II:
@Bones good point!
Although doesnt change the fact we are just thugs that play rugby!
Not only that mate. Some of our players are fast. Reprehensible.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Ireland II:
While our discipline has been a major talking point , Someone else posted this on facebook , thought it was interesting , So i cut and paste it for here , Penalties and yellow cards
Wales in Auckland: NZ 8 - Wales 7
Wales in Wellington: NZ 10 – Wales 6
Wales in Dunedin: NZ 10 – Wales 6 (Sam Cane yellow card)
Australia in Sydney: NZ 9 – Aussie 8 (Kieran Read yellow card)
Australia in Wellington: Aussie 15 – NZ 12
Argentina in Hamilton: Pumas 14 – NZ 9
South Africa in Christchurch: NZ 10 – Boks 8
Argentina in Buenos Aires: NZ 12 – Pumas 5 (Joe Moody, Liam Squire yellow cards)
South Africa in Durban: Boks 10 – NZ 8 (Codie Taylor yellow card)
Australia in Auckland: NZ 11 – Aussie 10
Ireland in Chicago: NZ 12 – Ireland 4 (Joe Moody yellow card)
Italy in Rome: NZ 5 – Italy 4
Ireland in Dublin: NZ 14 – Ireland 4 (Aaron Smith, Malakai Fekitoa yellow cards)
Overall Penalty Count: NZ 130 – Opposition 101
Yellow Cards: NZ 8 – Opposition 2Wonder which game Nigel Owens officiated??
Just saying
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@Kiwidom The thing that makes it worse is that he and his team clearly had no issue with it until they watched a replay. Umm how about not watching the replays and concentrate on how you are going to get over the try line.
If he had an issue immediately and raised it with the ref fine. But to let the crowd coerce you into asking the ref to check something is weak leadership.
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The try where they questioned the forward pass, seemed like it was nowhere near a forward pass to me.
It actually looks like fekitoa had taken it behind tho the passer.
There wasn't another angle of it shown was there?
Funnily enough, it was in the same corner for crotty's try in 2013 where the Irish got there knickers in a twist over a legal pass.
Maybe it's just a bad camera angle down that side?
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I think for our tours Nth in future we should automatically play all games with 10 men as we surely will comment 5 red card offenses each game. This should keep the precious players and fans in the Nth happy but I'm sure even this wont appease the media up here. For that to happen we should just forfeit every game and take a 12 week ban for all squad members.
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And yes, I thought it was poor form when Best approached Peyper.
Although payper indulged him Which showed poor control.
I thought the Irish were all over peyper at the weekend, which showed in how he Reffed the game.
Lots of Irish players questioning his decisions and for the BB try, after it was given, he explained to both best and sexton that 'the tmo can see a clear grounding, we are just going to have to accept it'
Very strange words to use at the end there.
I realise going to forensic will be like the aussies earlier this year but it all adds up to a very curious refereeing performance by peyper
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I'm calling bullshit on this claim that the citing commissioner decided 11 AB actions required a look at and 1 Ireland one.
For starters when has anyone ever seen these type of stats before? They aren't provided for the simple fact that they get misused. Even if they were correct (and not exaggerated by the Irish management) They narrative seems to be that the ABs are horrendous because 11!! incidents needed a look yet the one Irish one was cleared. Hello, that also means 9 AB ones were cleared of wrongdoing as well you pillocks.
I cannot believe that if the CC decided 11 things the ABs did needed him to examine them closely he still entirely dismissed Sextons high shot on BB. Comments of other refs, coaches and even Irish journalists have conceded that probably deserved a card/PT.
Yes, the CC is there to spot possible RC offences but I'm buggered if I can recall 12 potential RCs in the game so he must set his initial bar a bit lower then dismiss most of them
If I can be bothered I may watch the game again and look for these horrendous acts of brutality that were only coming from one side.
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I thought the same as well, there clearly were not 11 potential red card offences made by the ABs in that game
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@da_grubster said in Ireland II:
I thought the same as well, there clearly were not 11 potential red card offences made by the ABs in that game
And when you add in Hansen's comment after the game about our players getting neck-rolled it makes even less sense.
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Every bloody time we go north, the shrill gets louder and louder. It is an orchestrated litany of bullshit (to copy a well-known kiwi). Based on preconceived ideas, reinforced by a kind of cognitive dissonance and closed-mindedness that makes them hypocritically ignore their own actions the northern whinge fest just gets worse and worse.
Mind you I do wonder. If people only read the NZ Herald they would think the average NZ rugby fan was a rabid bloody retard.... -
@da_grubster said in Ireland II:
I thought the same as well, there clearly were not 11 potential red card offences made by the ABs in that game
Well if the TV producer didn't replay them over and over and over ... they didn't happen.
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@Samurai-Jack said in Ireland II:
Every bloody time we go north, the shrill gets louder and louder. It is an orchestrated litany of bullshit (to copy a well-known kiwi). Based on preconceived ideas, reinforced by a kind of cognitive dissonance and closed-mindedness that makes them hypocritically ignore their own actions the northern whinge fest just gets worse and worse.
Mind you I do wonder. If people only read the NZ Herald they would think the average NZ rugby fan was a rabid bloody retard....In a nutshell. Right there.
If you get your views on anything from headlines in the Daily Mail or some other bit of arse-wipe then you will think everyone's out to get you. Sensationalism everywhere. As an example there was a piece by Jerry Guscott on the BBC website with the banner "Refs should keep a closer eye on the All Blacks". Quite inflammatory in itself but...
His article was about all the weekend games and not just a piece about the All Blacks. Also that particular comment when looked at as part of his analysis of the game was actually very complimentary. Quote J. Guscott and BBC:-
'World champions New Zealand play everything at an incredible intensity. They understand the laws of the game, where the boundaries are and how the referee might react. They use it to their advantage.
But on Saturday Ireland couldn't beat a side who were playing with 14 men for 20 minutes. You have to say they should have won the game.
Referees need to look harder at New Zealand - their speed and intensity means the game moves so quickly, but they are canny. The All Blacks have to watch their high tackles - they have got a reputation for it and have had two players cited from Saturday - but for all that, you can't blame the players.
I'm not one who thinks their players go out there to hurt anyone illegally, they are sportsmen and do their best. There is ferocity in everything they do and they take everything to the limit, but it is up to the referee to be better at seeing and penalising them.' End quote.
In reality the only thing you might get sand in your panties about was the reference to high tackles but the headline screams "NZ are cheats" at you.
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@Bones said in Ireland II:
@Bones said in Ireland II:
Edit: Actually, it'd be interesting to see how many of our tries this year were scored under penalty advantage.
@booboo I thought finding this kind of stat would be right up your alley...
I love my stats but wouldn't know how yo find stuff like that. Reckon that might be a @Stargazer thing.
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@Samurai-Jack said in Ireland II:
Every bloody time we go north, the shrill gets louder and louder. It is an orchestrated litany of bullshit (to copy a well-known kiwi). Based on preconceived ideas, reinforced by a kind of cognitive dissonance and closed-mindedness that makes them hypocritically ignore their own actions the northern whinge fest just gets worse and worse.
Mind you I do wonder. If people only read the NZ Herald they would think the average NZ rugby fan was a rabid bloody retard....Putting adside the comments from the great unwashed it's the bullshit that comes out of official channels that pisses me off the most.
