All Blacks v Ireland II
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On another topic, I have just been watching BBs try again (by the way was able to freeze frame a clear and obvious grounding) and the making of that break is a brilliant piece of planning by Foster to utilise BBs acceleration.
Basically Ireland's defensive pattern is illegal. Their halfback moves across to cover the attacking 10 channel before the scrum ends without dropping behind his 8.20.12
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The scrum half whose team does not win possession of the ball must not move away from the scrum and then remain in front of the offside line. For that scrum half that runs through the hindmost foot of that player’s team in the scrum.This means the 10 can drift to the attacking 12 etc creating an extra man in defence and looking to double team the ball carrier.
Instead of whinging to the ref about this what the ABs noticed is that the 10 will not come back in, he relies heavily on the 9 to cover the gap (which he usually can because he takes off early). So BB stationed himself wide and his outsides acted like they were going to be the ball carriers. AS then passed fast and long (better at this than TJP) and BB ran as close as he could to the inside shoulder of the 10 and just out of reach of the covering 9. The 10 could have easily tackled him but was relying on the 9. The initial pass was bang on, BBs speed and angle did the rest.I think this is what Foster meant in the post match when he said they spotted some players that pushed up and held in defence without actually wanting to tackle. It was exploited beautifully.
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@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
That's tame. Try the RTÉ commentary. It was far more biased.
I didn't realise there was more than one Irish commentary we have been talking about I don't think the one I had (on SkySport UK) was the one in that clip. Must have been the RTE one as it was positively feral the whole game. You could have sworn it was a team of Phil Kearns' Irish cousins.
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@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
That's tame. Try the RTÉ commentary. It was far more biased.
I didn't realise there was more than one Irish commentary we have been talking about I don't think the one I had (on SkySport UK) was the one in that clip. Must have been the RTE one as it was positively feral the whole game. You could have sworn it was a team of Phil Kearns' Irish cousins.
Honestly, on the RTE stream (which is what I had on rugbypass), NZ would have finished with 5 men on the park. I just felt like saying "harden up". Yes, the Fekitoa tackle was a shocker, but it was like every NZ tackle was a potential YC or RC.
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Whoever the comments man was on sky sport was disgraceful. At one stage he was saying the all blacks were crossing the line by being aggressive, at every stoppage he was moaning about all blacks illegal tactics, like "being very quick". As said, Cane should have been red carded and the referees were cheating along with the all blacks, yet not even a word about Sexton. I'm sure he said something to imply Cane was injured as he was cheating too.
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Normally I don't bother grabbing the NZ comms version of any AB game to rewatch as I can usually laugh at people like Kearns et al, but these lot were full on vitriolic and as close to naked Hatred as I've ever heard. I was surprised there was no mention of St "I might have Died" BOD asthat would probably have resulted in my monitor going through the french doors.
It's this sort of aberrant nonsensical fuckstickery that gives me no regrets about supporting ABI (unles it's the Poms)
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Well I haven't had a chance to watch the game yet and by the sounds of it, haven't missed much.
New Zealand won is the only relevant thing though.
Wonder how the Australia game will go.
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@Pot-Hale it was a tough, tight game and there were some flashy moments but I don't know if it could be considered a great game. Ireland were very good and great teamwork but lacked finish, NZ had flair but lacked ..ah, the ball.
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@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
Well I haven't had a chance to watch the game yet and by the sounds of it, haven't missed much.
New Zealand won is the only relevant thing though.
Wonder how the Australia game will go.
Your pack was excellent, especially your backrow.
Your backs didn't really know what to do with the ball, the old chestnuts of Payne in the centres, and Trimble/Kearney in the back three will come into focus again.
I'm rapidly losing interest in the game though, the Irish media going to town with gifs, screenshots, clickbait etc, as if NZ was a bunch of criminals. The criminal element is Australia (many of Irish descent...)
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@Bones said in Ireland II:
Whoever the comments man was on sky sport was disgraceful. At one stage he was saying the all blacks were crossing the line by being aggressive, at every stoppage he was moaning about all blacks illegal tactics, like "being very quick". As said, Cane should have been red carded and the referees were cheating along with the all blacks, yet not even a word about Sexton. I'm sure he said something to imply Cane was injured as he was cheating too.
Ignoring the way that Cane was injured by falling back with a trapped leg after being clouted in the face with a forearm smash on the edge of a ruck......
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@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale you seem to have had one of your best players on the bench too. That VanderFlier bloke was pretty good when he came on. Really got go forward at times and good skills too.
Yeah he is class. SOB reminds me of McCaw, while VDF reminds me of Jones. His running lines for Leinster this season have been a joy to behold.
I reckon the NZ backrow got fairly schooled across the 2 tests, which is a worry.
If I could ask Steve Hansen one question it would
What did you think of the NZ high tackles yesterday?
No actually, it would be "why haven't you picked Akira Ioane in your wider training squad?"
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@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale you seem to have had one of your best players on the bench too. That VanderFlier bloke was pretty good when he came on. Really got go forward at times and good skills too.
Yeah he is class. SOB reminds me of McCaw, while VDF reminds me of Jones. His running lines for Leinster this season have been a joy to behold.
I reckon the NZ backrow got fairly schooled across the 2 tests, which is a worry.
If I could ask Steve Hansen one question it would
What did you think of the NZ high tackles yesterday?
No actually, it would be "why haven't you picked Akira Ioane in your wider training squad?"
If Akira was playing I think Irish fans would have even more reason to whinge about supposed dirty play. That's actually partly why he isn't there.
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@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
What did you think of the NZ high tackles yesterday?
Is that a joke about how that Irish journo asked him that question 3 times in a row?
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@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale said in Ireland II:
Well I haven't had a chance to watch the game yet and by the sounds of it, haven't missed much.
New Zealand won is the only relevant thing though.
Wonder how the Australia game will go.
Your pack was excellent, especially your backrow.
Your backs didn't really know what to do with the ball, the old chestnuts of Payne in the centres, and Trimble/Kearney in the back three will come into focus again.
I'm rapidly losing interest in the game though, the Irish media going to town with gifs, screenshots, clickbait etc, as if NZ was a bunch of criminals. The criminal element is Australia (many of Irish descent...)
I've learned to view most of the pre- and post-match commentary as just noise. And I don't think one particular country's media is any more hysterical than another when it comes to showing outrage via gifs/clickbait headlines, quotes, etc. As for ref-bashing - waste of time.
21-9 tells its own story. Ireland failed to score even a single try. Game over. Next time they need to do better. 1-1 from the series is a good outcome for the team - all told for a squad that is being slowly developed.
Congrats again to NZ. Wins are what counts at the end of the day.
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@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale you seem to have had one of your best players on the bench too. That VanderFlier bloke was pretty good when he came on. Really got go forward at times and good skills too.
Yeah he is class. SOB reminds me of McCaw, while VDF reminds me of Jones. His running lines for Leinster this season have been a joy to behold.
I reckon the NZ backrow got fairly schooled across the 2 tests, which is a worry.
If I could ask Steve Hansen one question it would
What did you think of the NZ high tackles yesterday?
No actually, it would be "why haven't you picked Akira Ioane in your wider training squad?"
If Akira was playing I think Irish fans would have even more reason to whinge about supposed dirty play. That's actually partly why he isn't there.
He's not a dirty player any more than Coles is. They both like to annoy opposition players, it's been pointed out before that Akira doesn't even get penalised for it, which is more than can be said for Coles.
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@Kirwan said in Ireland II:
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@Billy-Tell said in Ireland II:
@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@Pot-Hale you seem to have had one of your best players on the bench too. That VanderFlier bloke was pretty good when he came on. Really got go forward at times and good skills too.
Yeah he is class. SOB reminds me of McCaw, while VDF reminds me of Jones. His running lines for Leinster this season have been a joy to behold.
I reckon the NZ backrow got fairly schooled across the 2 tests, which is a worry.
If I could ask Steve Hansen one question it would
What did you think of the NZ high tackles yesterday?
No actually, it would be "why haven't you picked Akira Ioane in your wider training squad?"
If Akira was playing I think Irish fans would have even more reason to whinge about supposed dirty play. That's actually partly why he isn't there.
He's not a dirty player any more than Coles is. They both like to annoy opposition players, it's been pointed out before that Akira doesn't even get penalised for it, which is more than can be said for Coles.
Sorry, came out wrong. I don't think he is a dirty player but his style of play is of the type that seems to make the Irish fans (probably those that just jumped on the bandwagon) get their undies up their cracks.
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@Toddy said in Ireland II:
Fekitoa and Cane have both been cited for alleged dangerous tackles.
Sounds like something Aaron Smith could get done for.
Inevitable really, given the footage and the fuss they made about high tackles before the series. Surprised they didn't look at Sexton's too and maybe even Coles' (was it Coles? Can't remember).
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Even though it's a ridiculous decision, Cane can't play anyway. Not surprised that Fekitoa was cited. His absence will be more of an issue if Crotty isn't fit. Ioane is still green as.
I remember an illegal shoulder charge clean-out by Toner that wasn't even penalised. It was similar to de Jager's in Durban.
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I think Malakai will cop this one for the team. Cane cited just to shut the feral Irish fans up so Fekitoa will get a decent punishment to keep them quiet.
Cane being cited is a black mark against O'Peyper and the TMO though. Basically it is saying that what they deemed as a penalty only was actually worthy of a RC. It's no as if there is further evidence than what they both saw.
