All Blacks v Ireland II
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I know Beaudy did some great things - but I thought BBBR played his best game of the season - absolutely awesome.
Defense was obviously much better. We knew was Ireland were going to throw at us this time.
Discipline still an issue - some soft penalties.
I'm still not sure what Julian Savea is adding - he was better than Chicago but poor under the high ball and turned the ball over numerous times when he did have a charge.
Be interesting to see who the 9 is for France test - Perenara pushing his claims, Aaron Smith not so much.
Who was the TMO - some shockers there - the Beaudy try and Sam Cane penalised for a head clash come to mind.
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@JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:
@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
All the window dressing aside Ireland have came to play today - they still don't have much on attack unless they catch you on a bad day - but absolutely full credit for actually fronting and giving a good tight test.
Schmidt has Ireland playing the type of rugby Gatland has spent 10 years trying to get Wales to play.
Yeah, 9 points is poor considering they had 20 minutes against 14, at home, with a crowd influencing a ref
It isn't the ref making high tackles taking the head offs the opponents or doing the Aaron Smith offside play at the breakdown. Just curious why you say Peyper is a home town ref. Between him and TMO he gave AB's 14 points for free. He didn't have balls to go to TMO on a forward pass. We all know the try wasn't grounded by Beaudy. Refs must realize that with cams from all angles things get picked up. 2 errors from TMO / Peyper cost Ireland the game. Wait for the press.
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@Tordah said in Ireland II:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland II:
@Tordah what happened?
After Fekitoa scored and Barrett was lining up the conversion, the usual TV director shit comes up and he shows the last pass which was flat, a few in the stadium start to boo, Rory Best comes running from behind the posts up to Barrett who was preparing the kick and PEyper and wnats them to check
It wasn't even flat.
But at least O'Piper sends him away. Eventually.
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One of the questions about Barrett (apart from his goal kicking) was how he would do in a game where our forwards were getting dominated. I do not know that our forward pack did get dominated but we were well behind in territory and possession then of course there was the penalties. Barrett answered those questions by how well he played.
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@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
All the window dressing aside Ireland have came to play today - they still don't have much on attack unless they catch you on a bad day - but absolutely full credit for actually fronting and giving a good tight test.
Schmidt has Ireland playing the type of rugby Gatland has spent 10 years trying to get Wales to play.
Yeah, 9 points is poor considering they had 20 minutes against 14, at home, with a crowd influencing a ref
And a bit ohf possession
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@hydro11 said in Ireland II:
One of the questions about Barrett (apart from his goal kicking) was how he would do in a game where our forwards were getting dominated. I do not know that our forward pack did get dominated but we were well behind in territory and possession then of course there was the penalties. Barrett answered those questions by how well he played.
He was great and kicked bloody well. What shits me to tears though is him being sent to fullback for Cruden. Its exactly around that time that when defenses are buggered that BB could cause havoc. Instead he's a sweeper at the back.
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@African-Monkey said in Ireland II:
I thought Fekitoa was quite good today especially on defence, certainly one of his better tests. His yellow was the result of a poor (one of many) Aaron Smith clearance after just coming out of trouble.
Agree. Was pretty comfortable with Fekitoa today. Generally.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Ireland just couldn't quite match the accuracy of Chicago. Broke the All Blacks line enough times, but hands let them down.
All Blacks did enough, but still didn't look as superlative as we're used to seeing. Poor quality of this year's Rugby Championship perhaps giving a bit of an exaggerated perception?
Potentially.
But defence won this one.
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@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
@No-Quarter said in Ireland II:
@SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:
Ireland just couldn't quite match the accuracy of Chicago. Broke the All Blacks line enough times, but hands let them down.
All Blacks did enough, but still didn't look as superlative as we're used to seeing. Poor quality of this year's Rugby Championship perhaps giving a bit of an exaggerated perception?
Perhaps, probably more to do with it being the end of a bloody long season. The Wallabies are still unbeaten, be interesting to see how they finish their tour.
Isn't that the excuse you always used to scoff at the NH for using?
South Africa are a mess. Australia were whitewashed at home and mentally broken by England before the RC, and only just squeaked past Scotland (!) last week. Argentina just lost to Wales AND Scotland.
New Zealand are the best in the world, but the overall quality of the rest of the RC teams has been very poor this year.
Yeah for sure the quality has been way down, agree with you there. My observation was more based on the ABs being down on what they were in the RC, from Eden Park onwards. Indicates a bit of mental fatigue.
And I never scoffed at NH teams for using it as an excuse
they often sent depleted squads which did not represent the quality of their side. The recent 3 match series have been great in that they've sent some decent squads down. -
@African-Monkey bro come on. Fekitoa's tackle was poor play by him. It had nothing to do with the kick from Smith. He made the choice to go high and got rightly penalised for it.
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@LagerLout said in Ireland II:
Bit surprised not to see Dagg involved in the kicking in this game, his punt would have been useful at times especially clearing from our 22.
Does anyone know the possession stats?
Ireland had 66% possession (source: Opta)
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Ireland II:
@hydro11 said in Ireland II:
One of the questions about Barrett (apart from his goal kicking) was how he would do in a game where our forwards were getting dominated. I do not know that our forward pack did get dominated but we were well behind in territory and possession then of course there was the penalties. Barrett answered those questions by how well he played.
He was great and kicked bloody well. What shits me to tears though is him being sent to fullback for Cruden. Its exactly around that time that when defenses are buggered that BB could cause havoc. Instead he's a sweeper at the back.
That is the benefit of Sopoaga, I guess. He can come straight on at fullback.
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@JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:
@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
All the window dressing aside Ireland have came to play today - they still don't have much on attack unless they catch you on a bad day - but absolutely full credit for actually fronting and giving a good tight test.
Schmidt has Ireland playing the type of rugby Gatland has spent 10 years trying to get Wales to play.
Yeah, 9 points is poor considering they had 20 minutes against 14, at home, with a crowd influencing a ref
It isn't the ref making high tackles taking the head offs the opponents or doing the Aaron Smith offside play at the breakdown. Just curious why you say Peyper is a home town ref. Between him and TMO he gave AB's 14 points for free. He didn't have balls to go to TMO on a forward pass. We all know the try wasn't grounded by Beaudy. Refs must realize that with cams from all angles things get picked up. 2 errors from TMO / Peyper cost Ireland the game. Wait for the press.
You Irish amuse me.
Ireland essentially clueless on attack outside of their backrow. Did they have any backs? They could hold the ball but with that amount of possession they should have racked up more points.
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Justin Marshall style WOW I really enjoyed that test match . People having been banging on about the 2018 test vs England, but fuck that. Give us the next test vs Ireland pronto. I knew we'd show up, but they did too. They've had the best of general play three times in a row against us now. It's shaping up to be a top rivalry, certainly now our toughest rivalry against guys wearing green.
Tremendous D from the ABs. The Irish really have relatively little to offer in the outside backs (at this stage, though there seems to be talent coming through), but their forward pack is brutal.
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@booboo said in Ireland II:
@Tordah said in Ireland II:
@taniwharugby said in Ireland II:
@Tordah what happened?
After Fekitoa scored and Barrett was lining up the conversion, the usual TV director shit comes up and he shows the last pass which was flat, a few in the stadium start to boo, Rory Best comes running from behind the posts up to Barrett who was preparing the kick and PEyper and wnats them to check
It wasn't even flat.
But at least O'Piper sends him away. Eventually.
I guess on your tiny TV screens in NZ you can't tell the difference. On my 65" it was forward.
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We beat France next week it has been a great season ,
While the rest of the world may see us as the team to chase ,
The reality is ,put the wins to one side, with the players we have lost , we are in a rebuilding phase ,
We can improve and I think we will
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@Crucial said in Ireland II:
@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:
@nzzp said in Ireland II:
@rotated said in Ireland II:
All the window dressing aside Ireland have came to play today - they still don't have much on attack unless they catch you on a bad day - but absolutely full credit for actually fronting and giving a good tight test.
Schmidt has Ireland playing the type of rugby Gatland has spent 10 years trying to get Wales to play.
Yeah, 9 points is poor considering they had 20 minutes against 14, at home, with a crowd influencing a ref
It isn't the ref making high tackles taking the head offs the opponents or doing the Aaron Smith offside play at the breakdown. Just curious why you say Peyper is a home town ref. Between him and TMO he gave AB's 14 points for free. He didn't have balls to go to TMO on a forward pass. We all know the try wasn't grounded by Beaudy. Refs must realize that with cams from all angles things get picked up. 2 errors from TMO / Peyper cost Ireland the game. Wait for the press.
Are you trolling? I'll bite once, and that's me
Clearly grounded the ball on the first replay angle (and a head high to boot)
THe second was a line ball - once the ref calls it, you need more than a crowd booing to overturn. Looked fine to me - look at the lines on the ground and the hand action to clarify
You don't need to look at lines on the ground only the action of the passer. There is no way barring incompetence that would be called a clear and obvious forward pass.
We don't all know the ball wasn't grounded. I saw ball touch ground from one angle and doubt from another angle. The first over rules the second.Hear hear
