All Blacks v Italy
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Interesting bit in the Guardians weekly rugby mailshot (the Breakdown) -
"Racing 92, who move to their new ground in Paris next season, inquired about the All Blacks playing a match to mark the opening of a new venue but balked at the requested fee of €2m. Depending on how the tour schedule after 2019 pans out, others may have no choice."
That's a shame. I'd quite like to see a game like that. Think NZRU need to be flexible, it isn't Twickenham, so 2m euro is surely too much for a 40k stadium.
This would be a one off opportunity, where as 4th out-of-window internationals for the bigger cut is probably an ongoing annual opportunity.
Could even play it midweek, if need be. If have an 'easy' test that Saturday. Who am I kidding, modern coaches accepting a midweek distraction .....
40,000 tickets @ 100 euro a pop is 4 mill. So 50% of the gate to play a game that puts additional strain on players and programmes.
What? Are they a charity?
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Interesting bit in the Guardians weekly rugby mailshot (the Breakdown) -
"Racing 92, who move to their new ground in Paris next season, inquired about the All Blacks playing a match to mark the opening of a new venue but balked at the requested fee of €2m. Depending on how the tour schedule after 2019 pans out, others may have no choice."
That's a shame. I'd quite like to see a game like that. Think NZRU need to be flexible, it isn't Twickenham, so 2m euro is surely too much for a 40k stadium.
This would be a one off opportunity, where as 4th out-of-window internationals for the bigger cut is probably an ongoing annual opportunity.
Could even play it midweek, if need be. If have an 'easy' test that Saturday. Who am I kidding, modern coaches accepting a midweek distraction .....
40,000 tickets @ 100 euro a pop is 4 mill. So 50% of the gate to play a game that puts additional strain on players and programmes.
What? Are they a charity?
But they won't all be 100 euro a pop, and there are costs to deduct.
No we're not a charity. But obviously 2 mill isn't in the ball park, would be more than 50% I reckon. Guess they're not that into it. Fair enough, maybe they're weighing it against other options like a USA game again etc
Where as I'd like to see it as a 5th game, and NZRU to be genuinely constructive if they are indeed interested.
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@Rapido assuming this game would fall outside the normal playing window, then I guess they are within their rights to ask for a fee, which I assume the host nation/team can recoup via TV rights and obviously the apparently meager gate takings?
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@taniwharugby said in v Italy:
@Rapido assuming this game would fall outside the normal playing window, then I guess they are within their rights to ask for a fee, which I assume the host nation/team can recoup via TV rights and obviously the apparently meager gate takings?
Yes, I know that. That's the whole point.
Basically there are only 3 teams currently capable of hosting an out-of-window revenue sharing international. And NZRU are currently in dispute with 2 of them on financial terms apparently (RFU and WRU). We want 2m quid, they're offering 1m.
Seems odd to me to then summarily dismiss Racing with a fee that 2 other parties with twice as big stadiums are already baulking over.
I do actually pretty much agree with NZRUs stance on the 4th internationals at Twickers etc. where they're aiming for a bigger slice (from current approx 25% gate to 50% share). As long as they're flexible. I doubt whether they will get that, but with Ritchie etc at RFU it is political, the WRU probably genuinely think the fee is excessive for them.
Can't keep going to Chicago every year? Can we? So I hope the rebuff of Racing was polite, with a lets meet in the middle ..... because there's some bargaining going on at the moment.
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@Rapido I guess French rugby is struggling for cash and all too....
I couldn't give a crap TBH, I'd rather they played less games like that, so if they see it as a cash cow, good for them, assuming the NZR aren't really bothered if they say no thanks....
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No, but the French game and the one against Ireland will be shown on Fox/beIN sports. I can live with that.
Fark me dead this is disgusting.
And it doesn't even look like a stream will be made available in Aus and other countries to watch this game.This will be the first AB match I can recall in years when I've not been able to watch some how. In the past in order to not miss an AB test match I've made the trips in the middle of the night to a pub or the Star casino to watch matches being played on Setanta.
And last weeks experience of watching a "live stream" on my computer was interesting and not that enjoyable as it was pretty poor quality but at least I could watch the game.
Fuck I'm sick of the stupid games being played by broadcasters around the TV rights (and the almighty $$$) that are happening every year now for the November tour matches.
Im the same , and I very rarely miss them play live , was a tradition in our house as a kid growing up ,
And ive kept that going , set the alarm and get up to watch them live ,
Dont think ill be doing that to listen to a radio commentary.
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Interesting bit in the Guardians weekly rugby mailshot (the Breakdown) -
"Racing 92, who move to their new ground in Paris next season, inquired about the All Blacks playing a match to mark the opening of a new venue but balked at the requested fee of €2m. Depending on how the tour schedule after 2019 pans out, others may have no choice."
That's a shame. I'd quite like to see a game like that. Think NZRU need to be flexible, it isn't Twickenham, so 2m euro is surely too much for a 40k stadium.
This would be a one off opportunity, where as 4th out-of-window internationals for the bigger cut is probably an ongoing annual opportunity.
Could even play it midweek, if need be. If have an 'easy' test that Saturday. Who am I kidding, modern coaches accepting a midweek distraction .....
40,000 tickets @ 100 euro a pop is 4 mill. So 50% of the gate to play a game that puts additional strain on players and programmes.
What? Are they a charity?
But they won't all be 100 euro a pop, and there are costs to deduct.
No we're not a charity. But obviously 2 mill isn't in the ball park, would be more than 50% I reckon. Guess they're not that into it. Fair enough, maybe they're weighing it against other options like a USA game again etc
Where as I'd like to see it as a 5th game, and NZRU to be genuinely constructive if they are indeed interested.
You're right. Some of the tickets would be more than 100 Euros. Parisians aren't exactly poor.
I just paid 100usd for fairly average seats in a bigger stadium in a non rugby city. I'm sure Racing fans would shell out 100 euros no problems to watch their team play the All Blacks.
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@mariner4life said in v Italy:
So just setting off to Rome. If anyone has any updates on AB whereabouts or activities that'd be greatly appreciated!
just check out facebook, every day there seems to be a video of their vacation, sorry, footy tour.
Steve didn't even tell me about that, just said to wait outside the stadium. And bring my own boots. Cheap bastards.
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Let's hope the work experience kids can get the job done.
I'm in two minds about resting some of the experienced guys. On the one hand it's keeping guys fresh at this time of year. On the other hand some of them need a big kick up the arse and to put things right on the field after going MIA against Ireland...
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@Donsteppa expect they will get the chance next week.
I think if we rolled out a full strength team this week people would think the coaches are in panic mode after last week, whereas rolling out this team, looks pre-planned and that the coaches have it all under control and last week was just a hiccup, rather than the emergence of this great weakness Eddie has been pointning out all year
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@Donsteppa said in v Italy:
Let's hope the work experience kids can get the job done.
I'm in two minds about resting some of the experienced guys. On the one hand it's keeping guys fresh at this time of year. On the other hand some of them need a big kick up the arse and to put things right on the field after going MIA against Ireland...
A loss hurts an AB. Bad. The experienced guys that basically never lose won't just be hurting, they'll be fucking angry. So Hansen says "stew on that for an extra week". Bring on Dublin...
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The lame jokes are the sole reason I log onto the Fern every day.
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Very disappointed this is not televised in Australia. Must be loads of kiwis in OZ. Looks like we get the other games. I assume the Italians are wanting too much?
Im not sure how it works exactly ,
4 games , 2 televised , has anyone actually explained why 2 are and the other 2 aren't ? Is it different TV rights.
