Biggest Tool in World Sport
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@Virgil said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
Serene Williams fast becoming the next biggest 'tool' at least in tennnis
Read my mind. She is certainly up there.
To get back on topic - a mate found a Maccas big mac under the seat of his car. Reckoned it must have been there for 6 months and the lettuce was still green. WTF do they do to it?
@Bones Are you being literal there about Gayle?
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@Virgil i understand about the interview stuff, but the Auckland thing is a bit rough, she even said the other day in an unrelated presser at the Open how disappointed she was not to get to play in Auckland, she really wanted to.
She's always been a bit prickly, this is nothing new really.
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@Virgil said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
Serene Williams fast becoming the next biggest 'tool' at least in tennnis
Especially after how she left the Auckland event a couple weeks ago, now this.I am so fine with her response to this. She was showing respect to opponent.
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@Siam said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@Nepia
Why would he?Would you?
Do half the world's employees quit their job because one or a few aspects disappoint them?
I've never had a job that's 100% fine and great.
Not arguing Neps, just trying to hold him accountable to the same values of myself and the people around me whom I consider genuine.
Once you objectify the actual occupation, he's just a kid in the world (albeit a public one) in my opinion.
And the job opportunities and sponsorship and prize money (wages) just keep rolling in because of his talent, so why wouldn't we keep working till something demonstrably better comes along?
edit: he's not a shitty contractor mate, he's top 20 in a pool of 6 billion!
Nah I think he is a shitty contractor and he's been suspended because of it. He's good at one aspect of his job, at times, but at other times he's shitty at it and he's shitty at the other parts pretty much non stop. Just because he's good at the hitting the ball over the net part of his job it doesn't mean he's a good contractor. To give you an example, at my work we just let two lecturers go, both great at teaching what they teach (acting and cinematography) but completely hopeless at the other aspects of their job (attendance, marking, being collegial etc).
I also don't believe this kid bullshit, he's an adult, he needs to grow up. And no I don't in the least think he's brave for carrying on like a twat. Jeff Wilson didn't enjoy rugby for a time, he said that and then went and did something else. He didn't keep repeating it over and over again (coincidentally these outbursts seem to happen every time he's had a loss).
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I read an article from his former coach that implied he's practicing less than an hour a day. And now he's out in the 2nd round of his home Open, losing to a lesser opponent. If we must compare sport to normal jobs, that's insufficient effort leading to failing to meet expectations, and that would normally involve some sort of discipline.
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@Nepia said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@Siam If he was really brave in secure in himself he would quit the job he doesn't like - as it is he's just a shitty contractor with a poor work effort to go go with being a twat.
Why should he quit though? He earns a lot of money by doing hardly any work. I doubt he would enjoy another job anymore. Kyrgios has to maintain certain performance standards in order to have a career and he does maintain those standards. If he can maintain those standards while putting in no effort, I can't blame him for continuing to do that. Tennis fans can hate him if they want but I don't think Kyrgios cares about that.
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@mariner4life said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
I read an article from his former coach that implied he's practicing less than an hour a day. And now he's out in the 2nd round of his home Open, losing to a lesser opponent. If we must compare sport to normal jobs, that's insufficient effort leading to failing to meet expectations, and that would normally involve some sort of discipline.
The discipline is that he receives a lower amount of prize money. It is the same punishment Djokovic received.
It's not comparable to a normal job. In a normal job, if you are paid 100k, you are expected to do that amount and quality of work. Kyrgios is paid nothing because nothing is expected of him. He only receives money when he performs not based on expectations of performance.
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If his sponsors like Nike and Yonex drop him he'll need to change his attitude as Kyrgios will then be relying on prize money to make a living. Kyrgios has said numerous times that he doesn't enjoy tennis so we can assume it's mainly about the $$$ at this stage of his career.
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I'm with Siam.
I watched him up close at an exhibition match in Sydney recently, and I like him. He's genuine. He's entertaining. He's talented.
Yes he's a brat too, but FFS he's 21 and been training as a tennis player since he was very young. I'm not surprised he's a bit fucked up. But from people who know him, he's a genuinely good kid just trying to work out what he wants. And I don't think he's well advised or supported.
Bernard Tomic is a legitimate tool, who gets in trouble with the cops and is clearly an arrogant fuckwad. I don't think Kyrgios is the same at all. I see a kid grappling with his own identity in the most public of settings, and I have a bit of sympathy.
And I love watching him play. Through both the good and the bad he's incredibly watchable. That counts for a lot IMO.
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@barbarian people say exactly the same about Mundine. At what point are we allowed to only judge the public persona.
I get the "getting by with minimal effort thing" it's almost my personal mantra FFS. And if he's cool with it, then good on the lad, fill your boots.
Maybe i am guilty of projecting my own values on to him, as wasted talent pisses me off. I had to work extra hard for anything i ever "achieved" in sport, and to see someone with natural ability just cruising and appearing to not give a fuck about any of it gets to me.
I'm not going to forgive him quitting in the middle of matches or mouthing off at the crowd though, genuine or not, that's piston wristed gibbon behaviour.
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@hydro11 said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@Nepia said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@Siam If he was really brave in secure in himself he would quit the job he doesn't like - as it is he's just a shitty contractor with a poor work effort to go go with being a twat.
Why should he quit though? He earns a lot of money by doing hardly any work. I doubt he would enjoy another job anymore. Kyrgios has to maintain certain performance standards in order to have a career and he does maintain those standards. If he can maintain those standards while putting in no effort, I can't blame him for continuing to do that. Tennis fans can hate him if they want but I don't think Kyrgios cares about that.
I don't care if he stays or goes, but don't cry about how you hate the game all the time if you stay.
Clearly he doesn't maintain his standards which is why he's been suspended in the past.
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@mariner4life said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@barbarian people say exactly the same about Mundine. At what point are we allowed to only judge the public persona.
I don't know if that's the best comparison. Mundine went out of his way to make provocative comments (selectors don't pick me because I'm black, America deserved 9/11 etc) where Kyrgios only seems to respond in self-defence when provoked. It doesn't make that OK, but I think he's better than Mundine.
Mundine craved headlines, where it seems to me that Kyrgios would be very happy if no-one ever spoke about him again.
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@Nepia said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@hydro11 said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@Nepia said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@Siam If he was really brave in secure in himself he would quit the job he doesn't like - as it is he's just a shitty contractor with a poor work effort to go go with being a twat.
Why should he quit though? He earns a lot of money by doing hardly any work. I doubt he would enjoy another job anymore. Kyrgios has to maintain certain performance standards in order to have a career and he does maintain those standards. If he can maintain those standards while putting in no effort, I can't blame him for continuing to do that. Tennis fans can hate him if they want but I don't think Kyrgios cares about that.
I don't care if he stays or goes, but don't cry about how you hate the game all the time if you stay.
Clearly he doesn't maintain his standards which is why he's been suspended in the past.
He gets asked the question in a press conference though. He was asked why he lost and he said he didn't prepare well enough. He was asked why he didn't prepare well enough and he said he preferred to play basketball. Kyrgios seems to me like he doesn't want to do any media at all but if he doesn't show up he will get lambasted in the press (and will be fined more). I don't know what Kyrgios was meant to say? Should he have lied about how much preparation he did? If Kyrgios is asked whether or not he enjoys tennis, I would rather he answers that question honestly.
Kyrgios has been suspended in the past but he is still the number 13 in the world and he is compensated accordingly. The most important part of his job is to win and he is terrific at that.
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plenty of people out there 'trudge' through their routine in a job they don't like, but knowing they simply must do it, but I'd wager the vast majority of them toe the line or say what they think people want to hear when asked about their performance and the like.
This guy, at least he could try being funny about it (which maybe he was with the 'ask McInroe' comments) but it comes across like a 'meh I don't give a shit type of attitude', but not in the way that can be admired.
His comment about basketball could have been better by saying I wasn't well prepared...but the answer he gave to be is not about being honest, its about making a comment to antagonize or be controversial.
I've cruised through most of my life doing only as much as I needed to do, I don't hate my job, but I damn well would rather I didn't have to work at all, or could have played a sport for a living (like many of us I expect)
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@hydro11 said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@Nepia said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@hydro11 said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@Nepia said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@Siam If he was really brave in secure in himself he would quit the job he doesn't like - as it is he's just a shitty contractor with a poor work effort to go go with being a twat.
Why should he quit though? He earns a lot of money by doing hardly any work. I doubt he would enjoy another job anymore. Kyrgios has to maintain certain performance standards in order to have a career and he does maintain those standards. If he can maintain those standards while putting in no effort, I can't blame him for continuing to do that. Tennis fans can hate him if they want but I don't think Kyrgios cares about that.
I don't care if he stays or goes, but don't cry about how you hate the game all the time if you stay.
Clearly he doesn't maintain his standards which is why he's been suspended in the past.
He gets asked the question in a press conference though. He was asked why he lost and he said he didn't prepare well enough. He was asked why he didn't prepare well enough and he said he preferred to play basketball. Kyrgios seems to me like he doesn't want to do any media at all but if he doesn't show up he will get lambasted in the press (and will be fined more). I don't know what Kyrgios was meant to say? Should he have lied about how much preparation he did? If Kyrgios is asked whether or not he enjoys tennis, I would rather he answers that question honestly.
Kyrgios has been suspended in the past but he is still the number 13 in the world and he is compensated accordingly. The most important part of his job is to win and he is terrific at that.
Imagine anyone else being interviewed in the press on their day job after a loss/something going wrong and saying they'd prefer to play basketball rather than doing whatever it is that the person ultimately paying the bills for them pays them to do. It could very well be an honest answer, but I know for one I'd be out of job in a big hurry...
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@mariner4life said in Biggest Tool in World Sport:
@barbarian people say exactly the same about Mundine. At what point are we allowed to only judge the public persona.
I'm sure I've mentioned this before, but it's not a public persona; that's him.
I get the "getting by with minimal effort thing" it's almost my personal mantra FFS. And if he's cool with it, then good on the lad, fill your boots.
Maybe i am guilty of projecting my own values on to him, as wasted talent pisses me off. I had to work extra hard for anything i ever "achieved" in sport, and to see someone with natural ability just cruising and appearing to not give a fuck about any of it gets to me.
I judge people harshly by how they face adversity; what do you do when it gets hard?
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Might be a high bar but I always apply the Allblack test to sportsmen, i.e. how I would view them if they were an Allblack. I think it's fair to say that a piston wristed gibbon with an attitude like Kyrgios wouldn't get near selection. Just because he's open about being a cockhead isn't something to admire or "a breath of fresh air" and I can never get my head around those defending him for this.
I heard an interview with former French tennis star Henry Leconte and he said that Kyrgios will regret this later in life because time goes so fast and your career will be over before you know it.
He's literally holding a lotto ticket and he claims it bores him. Maybe the dickhead should spend some time in an office or a factory at the pay level most 21 year olds get. Then he might discover that his awful boring existence isn't so bad after all. Twat.
