All Whites
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@canefan said in All Whites:
@rapido said in All Whites:
It's all a smokescreen so they can wear more (or all) black. Because dressing like a 1980s referee is da bomb.
The new name will be a problem, as all the good ones are gone. The pukeko joke someone made up thread isn't really a joke, sadly.
The All Whites name being potentially offensive is obviously as ridiculous as Native Americn's campaigning for Liverpool to change their nickname and colours. E.g. is completely fake and entirely made up by the party doing the 'investigation/research'. E.g. by themselves.
All a smokescreen of management mumbo jumbo and cliches so that they can wear a bit more back.
How about the Katipos? Small but deadly 🕷. Pukekos are farken pests, so it's a no from me
How does that apply to the All Whites ? Beats me that’s for sure.
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I don't agree with this decision / proposal, but I'm certainly not up in arms enough about it to be that bothered - thats the world we live in, and a lot of leaders / politicians (side note - not the same thing), think these sort of optics change things. Reality is they don't. In fact, they just create further divide, as witnessed in the above exchange.
There's a pretty obvious place that this may well lead on to though with our most widely known sports team. Am fairly sure Titania McGrath with find an article somewhere in the near future talking about cultural appropriation there.
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@canefan said in All Whites:
@mn5 said in All Whites:
How come the All Whites are in the firing line and not the All Blacks ?
Is it cos one team is iconic and dominant and the other is shit ?
Black is okay. White? Not so much right now...
Oh ok, so it wasn’t my lack of talent that meant I never played rugby for NZ ?
Curse my pasty complexion !!!!
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@mn5 said in All Whites:
@canefan said in All Whites:
@mn5 said in All Whites:
How come the All Whites are in the firing line and not the All Blacks ?
Is it cos one team is iconic and dominant and the other is shit ?
Black is okay. White? Not so much right now...
Oh ok, so it wasn’t my lack of talent that meant I never played rugby for NZ ?
Curse my pasty complexion !!!!
The funny thing is that when I was a kid in the 70s, the All Blacks were mostly white
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@mn5 said in All Whites:
How come the All Whites are in the firing line and not the All Blacks ?
Is it cos one team is iconic and dominant and the other is shit ?
They aren't in the firing line. NZ Football is taking this stance under the assumption of being in the firing line in the near future.
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@majorrage said in All Whites:
@mn5 said in All Whites:
How come the All Whites are in the firing line and not the All Blacks ?
Is it cos one team is iconic and dominant and the other is shit ?
They aren't in the firing line. NZ Football is taking this stance under the assumption of being in the firing line in the near future.
What's the "firing line"? Some tweets from people who introduce themselves with their preferred pronouns?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@majorrage said in All Whites:
@mn5 said in All Whites:
How come the All Whites are in the firing line and not the All Blacks ?
Is it cos one team is iconic and dominant and the other is shit ?
They aren't in the firing line. NZ Football is taking this stance under the assumption of being in the firing line in the near future.
What's the "firing line"? Some tweets from people who introduce themselves with their preferred pronouns?
I think you are naive if you don't think Jacinda and her crew are not involved.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
? No. I just don't think it will make them more irrelevant as you suggested.
Looking for an argument! That's fucking gold. Go Internetter!
I really have no idea why your so angry about this, my view is that it's just virtue signaling that simply turns off a large percentage of the population. Hence get woke go broke comment.
This isn't even anything to do with ideology but a repeatable phenomenon we see world-wide, Nickelodeon, CNN, Nike, NBA to name a few...Nickelodeon is about a third of what it once was, CNN lead ballooning, Nike not moving, NBA record low viewership's...
I'm just calling out cause and effect based off observed facts because increasingly woke simply increasingly alienates larger and larger cross sections of society. Whether you agree with that society or not - that's what happens...
I just can't see a name change affecting the All Whites unfavourably or otherwise.
What I find is that people squeal like little piggies when this sort of thing is brought up but after a bit it all goes away and everything remains the same bar the name/action
If the name change won't make any difference then why change it? I think that's the argument here. It's not a rebranding in the traditional sense, it's simply a weird knee-jerk reaction to a tiny minority getting "offended".
Or it's a sign of the times that people can get upset about or go with flow.
For me, as a supporter of the All Whites, I am happy that they stay the same and I am happy if they change. Either way, this decision doesn't affect me one bit
That's nice but incredibly enough other people might have a different opinion to you. Ultimately, if the only reason for changing a name (which is almost 40 years old and has until now ruffled zero feathers) is because a minuscule minority might be offended, then that's not a very good reason for changing it. Would you not agree with that?
I can see the logic for change and I'm not upset by it. 40 year is nothing in terms of history and it will be looked back in 200 years as a nothing part of their history.
What logic is that? The logic that we change something that a tiny number of people find offensive? There are probably more people who consider horse racing inhumane. Should we ban horse racing because of them? It's not like anyone will give a crap in 200 years right?
I'm just saying I can understand the logic and I'm OK with that. I will keep supporting NZ Football whatever their name is
So you'd be totally fine with horse racing being banned because it offends a tiny minority who don't even watch the sport?
Whats this "tiny minority" garbage that keeps cropping up on this thread? There are 2bn people who identify as African by heritage on the planet which is hardly a tiny minority who could be offended by a team name which comes across to the uninitiated as racially motivated. Is it silly that this might be the case? Yep. But that's a fuckload of people to educate vs a truly miniscule minority of NZ Football fans who might be a bit pissed that their team name gets changed.
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@shark said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
? No. I just don't think it will make them more irrelevant as you suggested.
Looking for an argument! That's fucking gold. Go Internetter!
I really have no idea why your so angry about this, my view is that it's just virtue signaling that simply turns off a large percentage of the population. Hence get woke go broke comment.
This isn't even anything to do with ideology but a repeatable phenomenon we see world-wide, Nickelodeon, CNN, Nike, NBA to name a few...Nickelodeon is about a third of what it once was, CNN lead ballooning, Nike not moving, NBA record low viewership's...
I'm just calling out cause and effect based off observed facts because increasingly woke simply increasingly alienates larger and larger cross sections of society. Whether you agree with that society or not - that's what happens...
I just can't see a name change affecting the All Whites unfavourably or otherwise.
What I find is that people squeal like little piggies when this sort of thing is brought up but after a bit it all goes away and everything remains the same bar the name/action
If the name change won't make any difference then why change it? I think that's the argument here. It's not a rebranding in the traditional sense, it's simply a weird knee-jerk reaction to a tiny minority getting "offended".
Or it's a sign of the times that people can get upset about or go with flow.
For me, as a supporter of the All Whites, I am happy that they stay the same and I am happy if they change. Either way, this decision doesn't affect me one bit
That's nice but incredibly enough other people might have a different opinion to you. Ultimately, if the only reason for changing a name (which is almost 40 years old and has until now ruffled zero feathers) is because a minuscule minority might be offended, then that's not a very good reason for changing it. Would you not agree with that?
I can see the logic for change and I'm not upset by it. 40 year is nothing in terms of history and it will be looked back in 200 years as a nothing part of their history.
What logic is that? The logic that we change something that a tiny number of people find offensive? There are probably more people who consider horse racing inhumane. Should we ban horse racing because of them? It's not like anyone will give a crap in 200 years right?
I'm just saying I can understand the logic and I'm OK with that. I will keep supporting NZ Football whatever their name is
So you'd be totally fine with horse racing being banned because it offends a tiny minority who don't even watch the sport?
Whats this "tiny minority" garbage that keeps cropping up on this thread? There are 2bn people who identify as African by heritage on the planet which is hardly a tiny minority who could be offended by a team name which comes across to the uninitiated as racially motivated. Is it silly that this might be the case? Yep. But that's a fuckload of people to educate vs a truly miniscule minority of NZ Football fans who might be a bit pissed that their team name gets changed.
What a compelling argument. As if most Africans could give a flying f about the name of the NZ soccer team. I think they have much more important issues to worry about. Your argument is as ridiculous as the billion or so people who identify as white European being offended by the All Blacks. Or short white people being offended by the Tall Blacks.
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@majorrage said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@majorrage said in All Whites:
@mn5 said in All Whites:
How come the All Whites are in the firing line and not the All Blacks ?
Is it cos one team is iconic and dominant and the other is shit ?
They aren't in the firing line. NZ Football is taking this stance under the assumption of being in the firing line in the near future.
What's the "firing line"? Some tweets from people who introduce themselves with their preferred pronouns?
I think you are naive if you don't think Jacinda and her crew are not involved.
That's who I meant.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@shark said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
? No. I just don't think it will make them more irrelevant as you suggested.
Looking for an argument! That's fucking gold. Go Internetter!
I really have no idea why your so angry about this, my view is that it's just virtue signaling that simply turns off a large percentage of the population. Hence get woke go broke comment.
This isn't even anything to do with ideology but a repeatable phenomenon we see world-wide, Nickelodeon, CNN, Nike, NBA to name a few...Nickelodeon is about a third of what it once was, CNN lead ballooning, Nike not moving, NBA record low viewership's...
I'm just calling out cause and effect based off observed facts because increasingly woke simply increasingly alienates larger and larger cross sections of society. Whether you agree with that society or not - that's what happens...
I just can't see a name change affecting the All Whites unfavourably or otherwise.
What I find is that people squeal like little piggies when this sort of thing is brought up but after a bit it all goes away and everything remains the same bar the name/action
If the name change won't make any difference then why change it? I think that's the argument here. It's not a rebranding in the traditional sense, it's simply a weird knee-jerk reaction to a tiny minority getting "offended".
Or it's a sign of the times that people can get upset about or go with flow.
For me, as a supporter of the All Whites, I am happy that they stay the same and I am happy if they change. Either way, this decision doesn't affect me one bit
That's nice but incredibly enough other people might have a different opinion to you. Ultimately, if the only reason for changing a name (which is almost 40 years old and has until now ruffled zero feathers) is because a minuscule minority might be offended, then that's not a very good reason for changing it. Would you not agree with that?
I can see the logic for change and I'm not upset by it. 40 year is nothing in terms of history and it will be looked back in 200 years as a nothing part of their history.
What logic is that? The logic that we change something that a tiny number of people find offensive? There are probably more people who consider horse racing inhumane. Should we ban horse racing because of them? It's not like anyone will give a crap in 200 years right?
I'm just saying I can understand the logic and I'm OK with that. I will keep supporting NZ Football whatever their name is
So you'd be totally fine with horse racing being banned because it offends a tiny minority who don't even watch the sport?
Whats this "tiny minority" garbage that keeps cropping up on this thread? There are 2bn people who identify as African by heritage on the planet which is hardly a tiny minority who could be offended by a team name which comes across to the uninitiated as racially motivated. Is it silly that this might be the case? Yep. But that's a fuckload of people to educate vs a truly miniscule minority of NZ Football fans who might be a bit pissed that their team name gets changed.
What a compelling argument. As if most Africans could give a flying f about the name of the NZ soccer team. I think they have much more important issues to worry about. Your argument is as ridiculous as the billion or so people who identify as white European being offended by the All Blacks. Or short white people being offended by the Tall Blacks.
Yeah I have a feeling it’s not people of darker complexion who will be offended, more woke people of lighter complexion white knighting on their behalf.
Shit, I said ‘white knighting” is that racist ? Hope not.
As for Africa I’d imagine civil wars, AIDS, slavery, genocide and crippling hunger would be more pressing issues to worry about than the name of a footballing minnow.
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@mn5 said in All Whites:
How come the All Whites are in the firing line and not the All Blacks ?
Is it cos one team is iconic and dominant and the other is shit ?
It’s the obvious question, if All Whites is potentially offensive then why isn’t All Blacks?
Or perhaps people could apply some context and stop renaming things because some idiot on Twitter shook an angry finger.
Neither name is offensive to anybody with more than a handful of brain cells.
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Ok so if a team from an African nation played in an all black strip and called themselves the No Whites, that'd be ok too? Or perhaps a team from SA in white or black calling themselves the No Colours. It's ok because it just relates to the uniform.
Yeah ok that's not 100% the same but you're completely missing the guts of the issue if you don't think the name All Whites could be (mis)construed as racially influenced. To dismiss the issue so readily is to completely ignore reality.
If the Cleveland Indians and Washington Redskins have had to change their names then wake up, the writing is already on the wall.
