All Whites
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LOL.
No more All Whites?
New Zealand Football are contemplating dropping the moniker for the men's national team.
It's just amazing that people can be so dumb.
On topic, the worse thing about the AW colours and name is that stupid fundamentalist football kit-clash rules means that a team is playing in all white in about 1/3 of all international games.
It was a reasonably rare combo. Real Madrid, Leeds etc That's about it. Now it is every third team's alt kit or 3rd kit if their second kit has a clash of socks with another teams collar.
Despite that rant, I'd keep it.
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This shouldn't surprise anyone. To the casual observer, the name All Whites would have to raise an eyebrow, minimum. Even to most of the football world to whom our roundball identity hangs by a thread, the name would have to conjure the occasional "what the fuck?"
Those in the rugby world will realise the connection. Whether they're aware of how the All Blacks moniker came about, or not, they'll be familiar with the brand and the uniform and will realise that 'All Whites' is simply piggy-backing off New Zealands' most recognisable sporting brand. They'll know there is no malice or underlying intent in the name, and that it (both) came about during an age when these things were analysed far less and people didn't have the heightened level of sensitivity and desperation to be outraged that they have today.
But today is today, and maybe it's appropriate to review a team name that really only piggy-backs on a far more renowned one, as Rapido says has an increasingly tenuous link to a formerly unique playing strip and might just be so borderline offensive it has to go.
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@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
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@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
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@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
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@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
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@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
? No. I just don't think it will make them more irrelevant as you suggested.
Looking for an argument! That's fucking gold. Go Internetter!
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@shark said in All Whites:
Sorry roundball fans, but also a good opportunity to ditch the all white strip and get into a much cooler and nationally appropriate black one. Perhaps we could then call them the New Zealand Kea. Or Pukeko.
Or the Black Balls?
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I thought it was a cool name. For sure it piggy backed off the ABs but who gives a shit. What about the Tall Blacks or Black Sticks? He he, say Blacks Sticks fast.
The only people who might find this offensive won't even spend a cent on the game so who cares what they think. Same with the Crusaders.
I've got this novel idea for increasing the All Whites profile. Hear me out. Score more goals and win more matches. I know it's revolutionary and less likely to have the same impact as a name change but, who knows, it may just work.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
I thought it was a cool name. For sure it piggy backed off the ABs but who gives a shit. What about the Tall Blacks or Black Sticks? He he, say Blacks Sticks fast.
The only people who might find this offensive won't even spend a cent on the game so who cares what they think. Same with the Crusaders.
I've got this novel idea for increasing the All Whites profile. Hear me out. Score more goals and win more matches. I know it's revolutionary and less likely to have the same impact as a name change but, who knows, it may just work.
The first thing that comes to mind when I hear All Whites is not a bunch of only white guys. I am reminded of 1982. Change the name if you want a new name. But not because of some unfounded racial connotation
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@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
? No. I just don't think it will make them more irrelevant as you suggested.
Looking for an argument! That's fucking gold. Go Internetter!
I really have no idea why your so angry about this, my view is that it's just virtue signaling that simply turns off a large percentage of the population. Hence get woke go broke comment.
This isn't even anything to do with ideology but a repeatable phenomenon we see world-wide, Nickelodeon, CNN, Nike, NBA to name a few...Nickelodeon is about a third of what it once was, CNN lead ballooning, Nike not moving, NBA record low viewership's...
I'm just calling out cause and effect based off observed facts because increasingly woke simply increasingly alienates larger and larger cross sections of society. Whether you agree with that society or not - that's what happens...
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@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
? No. I just don't think it will make them more irrelevant as you suggested.
Looking for an argument! That's fucking gold. Go Internetter!
I really have no idea why your so angry about this, my view is that it's just virtue signaling that simply turns off a large percentage of the population. Hence get woke go broke comment.
This isn't even anything to do with ideology but a repeatable phenomenon we see world-wide, Nickelodeon, CNN, Nike, NBA to name a few...Nickelodeon is about a third of what it once was, CNN lead ballooning, Nike not moving, NBA record low viewership's...
I'm just calling out cause and effect based off observed facts because increasingly woke simply increasingly alienates larger and larger cross sections of society. Whether you agree with that society or not - that's what happens...
I just can't see a name change affecting the All Whites unfavourably or otherwise.
What I find is that people squeal like little piggies when this sort of thing is brought up but after a bit it all goes away and everything remains the same bar the name/action
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@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
? No. I just don't think it will make them more irrelevant as you suggested.
Looking for an argument! That's fucking gold. Go Internetter!
I really have no idea why your so angry about this, my view is that it's just virtue signaling that simply turns off a large percentage of the population. Hence get woke go broke comment.
This isn't even anything to do with ideology but a repeatable phenomenon we see world-wide, Nickelodeon, CNN, Nike, NBA to name a few...Nickelodeon is about a third of what it once was, CNN lead ballooning, Nike not moving, NBA record low viewership's...
I'm just calling out cause and effect based off observed facts because increasingly woke simply increasingly alienates larger and larger cross sections of society. Whether you agree with that society or not - that's what happens...
I just can't see a name change affecting the All Whites unfavourably or otherwise.
What I find is that people squeal like little piggies when this sort of thing is brought up but after a bit it all goes away and everything remains the same bar the name/action
If the name change won't make any difference then why change it? I think that's the argument here. It's not a rebranding in the traditional sense, it's simply a weird knee-jerk reaction to a tiny minority getting "offended".
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@shark said in All Whites:
This shouldn't surprise anyone. To the casual observer, the name All Whites would have to raise an eyebrow, minimum. Even to most of the football world to whom our roundball identity hangs by a thread, the name would have to conjure the occasional "what the fuck?"
Those in the rugby world will realise the connection. Whether they're aware of how the All Blacks moniker came about, or not, they'll be familiar with the brand and the uniform and will realise that 'All Whites' is simply piggy-backing off New Zealands' most recognisable sporting brand. They'll know there is no malice or underlying intent in the name, and that it (both) came about during an age when these things were analysed far less and people didn't have the heightened level of sensitivity and desperation to be outraged that they have today.
But today is today, and maybe it's appropriate to review a team name that really only piggy-backs on a far more renowned one, as Rapido says has an increasingly tenuous link to a formerly unique playing strip and might just be so borderline offensive it has to go.
I think it's a good way for New Zealand to differentiate itself on the international stage; explain that the name reflects only white people are allowed to play soccer and black people are forced to play rugby.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
? No. I just don't think it will make them more irrelevant as you suggested.
Looking for an argument! That's fucking gold. Go Internetter!
I really have no idea why your so angry about this, my view is that it's just virtue signaling that simply turns off a large percentage of the population. Hence get woke go broke comment.
This isn't even anything to do with ideology but a repeatable phenomenon we see world-wide, Nickelodeon, CNN, Nike, NBA to name a few...Nickelodeon is about a third of what it once was, CNN lead ballooning, Nike not moving, NBA record low viewership's...
I'm just calling out cause and effect based off observed facts because increasingly woke simply increasingly alienates larger and larger cross sections of society. Whether you agree with that society or not - that's what happens...
I just can't see a name change affecting the All Whites unfavourably or otherwise.
What I find is that people squeal like little piggies when this sort of thing is brought up but after a bit it all goes away and everything remains the same bar the name/action
If the name change won't make any difference then why change it? I think that's the argument here. It's not a rebranding in the traditional sense, it's simply a weird knee-jerk reaction to a tiny minority getting "offended".
Or it's a sign of the times that people can get upset about or go with flow.
For me, as a supporter of the All Whites, I am happy that they stay the same and I am happy if they change. Either way, this decision doesn't affect me one bit
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@hooroo said in All Whites:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
? No. I just don't think it will make them more irrelevant as you suggested.
Looking for an argument! That's fucking gold. Go Internetter!
I really have no idea why your so angry about this, my view is that it's just virtue signaling that simply turns off a large percentage of the population. Hence get woke go broke comment.
This isn't even anything to do with ideology but a repeatable phenomenon we see world-wide, Nickelodeon, CNN, Nike, NBA to name a few...Nickelodeon is about a third of what it once was, CNN lead ballooning, Nike not moving, NBA record low viewership's...
I'm just calling out cause and effect based off observed facts because increasingly woke simply increasingly alienates larger and larger cross sections of society. Whether you agree with that society or not - that's what happens...
I just can't see a name change affecting the All Whites unfavourably or otherwise.
What I find is that people squeal like little piggies when this sort of thing is brought up but after a bit it all goes away and everything remains the same bar the name/action
If the name change won't make any difference then why change it? I think that's the argument here. It's not a rebranding in the traditional sense, it's simply a weird knee-jerk reaction to a tiny minority getting "offended".
Or it's a sign of the times that people can get upset about or go with flow.
For me, as a supporter of the All Whites, I am happy that they stay the same and I am happy if they change. Either way, this decision doesn't affect me one bit
Probably a stance that is better for one's blood pressure. Maybe we would use the opportunity to branch out and use some other NZ icon? Ferns and Kiwis have been done quite a bit
