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@NTA that shows you genuinely don't know Coney
He also agreed with your crowds about Richard Hadlee (allegedly)
Was a school teacher Married a Silver Fern who dumped him for Smokin Joe Stanley - whereupon Coney decamped to theatre school in UK where I think he still lives.
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@dogmeat said in Aussie Cricket:
@NTA that shows you genuinely don't know Coney
He also agreed with your crowds about Richard Hadlee (allegedly)
Was a school teacher Married a Silver Fern who dumped him for Smokin Joe Stanley - whereupon Coney decamped to theatre school in UK where I think he still lives.
Yeah Coney and Hadlee had some real dust ups as I recall reading. Still, Bradman wasn't exactly liked by his teammates either and compared to the 80s NZ team Hadlee pretty much was Bradman such was the gulf in ability.
Didn't Hadlee win a whole bunch of cars and after selling and splitting the proceeds he kept the last one?
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@MN5 said in Aussie Cricket:
I've already said I'm happy to stand corrected on that and it's Nicholas matey nature with any number of ex Aussie legends that irks me.
They're a real clique, he's just a try hard.
I understand this criticism. Now 9 doesn't have the cricket it seems it's a thing of the past, though.
Around a decade ago it seems 9 made a conscious decision to pivot to a more blokey, jovial, maaaatey style and Nicholas was forced to play into that. Geoff Lemon summed it up well in his piece a few years ago (a great read if you missed it).
When he is out of that environment (and a few others like Slater, Warne) then they can be quite cerebral and interesting.
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@shark said in Aussie Cricket:
Hang on, who's got which coverage? Do Foxtel and 7 both cover international cricket? And Foxtel additionally has the BBL, is that how it works? If so, we don't get the 7 coverage so theres zero differentiation to be made.
Foxtel and 7 both cover the tests, and the majority of Big Bash. ODIs just on Fox.
It seems you guys don't get the 7 coverage, which is a shame - for mine the commentary is vastly superior.
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@booboo said in Aussie Cricket:
@NTA said in Aussie Cricket:
Is Brian Waddle the guy who thinks he's a warrior poet?
Suspect you think Jeremy Coney (former test captain)
Have heard a bit of Coney this summer and I think he's jumped the shark. Talk about Captain Obvious. Certainly his best days are well behind him.
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@dogmeat said in Aussie Cricket:
@MN5 Just to revert to the commentators for a moment
Nicholas captained Hampshire for a decade or more during their most successful era and also was captain of England A. As @Catogrande said he was very much thought of as in the Brearley mould although a better batsman. He played during the Lamb, Gower, Gatting time. If he's played in a different decade or for a different country (e.g. NZ) he would almost certainly picked up some full caps.
He is / was also highly regarded as a commentator in the early days. I'm sure he won commentator of the year in the UK. I did find him much more palatable in his earlier career. His UK persona seemed more toned down but you know what. Her makes his living from being the host. If his employers want him to be a cheerleader then good luck to him for doing so. He's got a great gig why would he rock the boat.
As for your self-avowed ignorance about other commentators as @booboo said - it really does say it all. While Benaud was an absolute legend having perfected the art of saying very little there are some on that list who are at the very least his equal. Plus as I said above it seems the various Aussie (and others) want partisan ex-players rather than balanced nuance
I was living in England back in 1999 when Channel 4 took over the cricket coverage from BBC.
Their coverage was excellent, innovative for the time, with Mark Nicholas having retired the previous year from playing county cricket as the suave, late 30s, famous captain, frontman. He was great in that role.
After leaving UK didn't come across him again until Ch9 picked him up, where he makes me cringe. He doesn't suit the Warney v Chappelii macho circle jerk over who can suggest the most aggressive change the fielding captain just must do.
I like commentators like early Nicholas. In NZ i like Cumming who was similar, a 10 year domestic captain, but without the supposed captaincy fame that Nicholas had by the late 90s. I like that Cumming actually keeps a grasp of domestic cricket still and knows something about newcomers. cough, not-looking at you Mark Richardson. Styris and Doull have good internationalist knowledge of visitors due to their T20 commentating stints, (and Styris's until recent still T20 playing travels).
I like all the NZ TV commentators actually apart from Richardson. Maybe Smithy is starting to go off the plantation as well with his Hawkes Bay/CD bias.
On radio, with the decline of ball-by-ball commentary of Plunket Shield. I find the stints by the other younger ball-by-ball guys not called Waddle to be quite difficult listening. Garth Galloway is a natural when he does a Christchurch test, but he is a just a part timer.
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Aussie cricket is actually a bit fucked at the moment.
Pretty lame bowling and fielding performance from a backs to the wall Aussie team in a face saving game.
Something (lots of things) ain't right in that camp.
It's all a bit weird to be honest, but this mob is playing unaustralian cricket
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@Siam hey bro it could be because they got caught cheating and lost their 2 best players!!
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@Yeahtheboys said in Aussie Cricket:
@Siam hey bro it could be because they got caught cheating and lost their 2 best players!!
Australia's quick bowling since the moment the sandpaper scandal blew up is basically what would have happened if Lance Armstrong were made to ride the TdF clean.
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@Yeahtheboys said in Aussie Cricket:
@Siam hey bro it could be because they got caught cheating and lost their 2 best players!!
Easy to point the finger from across the ditch but we'd be pretty fucked if KW and Rossco got banned too.
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@MN5 Yeah, for sure. But 9 months later would we see dropped catches, knee high full tosses, soft batting dismissals and a deer in the headlights look from the players in the winning and losing moments in a game that could be won? Bowling full with a short bowling field set?The basics of cricket.
Nah, the loss of Smith and Warners runs is one thing, the attitude and mental fortitude of the others suggests this boil hasn't been properly lanced.
For a redeeming series final, that was pretty insipid for a team whose main characteristics have been never give up and fight till the end.
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@Rapido said in Aussie Cricket:
@dogmeat said in Aussie Cricket:
@MN5 Just to revert to the commentators for a moment
Nicholas captained Hampshire for a decade or more during their most successful era and also was captain of England A. As @Catogrande said he was very much thought of as in the Brearley mould although a better batsman. He played during the Lamb, Gower, Gatting time. If he's played in a different decade or for a different country (e.g. NZ) he would almost certainly picked up some full caps.
He is / was also highly regarded as a commentator in the early days. I'm sure he won commentator of the year in the UK. I did find him much more palatable in his earlier career. His UK persona seemed more toned down but you know what. Her makes his living from being the host. If his employers want him to be a cheerleader then good luck to him for doing so. He's got a great gig why would he rock the boat.
As for your self-avowed ignorance about other commentators as @booboo said - it really does say it all. While Benaud was an absolute legend having perfected the art of saying very little there are some on that list who are at the very least his equal. Plus as I said above it seems the various Aussie (and others) want partisan ex-players rather than balanced nuance
I was living in England back in 1999 when Channel 4 took over the cricket coverage from BBC.
Their coverage was excellent, innovative for the time, with Mark Nicholas having retired the previous year from playing county cricket as the suave, late 30s, famous captain, frontman. He was great in that role.
After leaving UK didn't come across him again until Ch9 picked him up, where he makes me cringe. He doesn't suit the Warney v Chappelii macho circle jerk over who can suggest the most aggressive change the fielding captain just must do.
I like commentators like early Nicholas. In NZ i like Cumming who was similar, a 10 year domestic captain, but without the supposed captaincy fame that Nicholas had by the late 90s. I like that Cumming actually keeps a grasp of domestic cricket still and knows something about newcomers. cough, not-looking at you Mark Richardson. Styris and Doull have good internationalist knowledge of visitors due to their T20 commentating stints, (and Styris's until recent still T20 playing travels).
I like all the NZ TV commentators actually apart from Richardson. Maybe Smithy is starting to go off the plantation as well with his Hawkes Bay/CD bias.
On radio, with the decline of ball-by-ball commentary of Plunket Shield. I find the stints by the other younger ball-by-ball guys not called Waddle to be quite difficult listening. Garth Galloway is a natural when he does a Christchurch test, but he is a just a part timer.
I miss Peter Sharp... I agree that the newer commentators have some distance to travel yet. Someone I would like to see/hear more of is Jonathan Agnew.
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@Siam said in Aussie Cricket:
@MN5 Yeah, for sure. But 9 months later would we see dropped catches, knee high full tosses, soft batting dismissals and a deer in the headlights look from the players in the winning and losing moments in a game that could be won? Bowling full with a short bowling field set?The basics of cricket.
Nah, the loss of Smith and Warners runs is one thing, the attitude and mental fortitude of the others suggests this boil hasn't been properly lanced.
For a redeeming series final, that was pretty insipid for a team whose main characteristics have been never give up and fight till the end.
Didn't we see all of that stuff in the win against Sri Lanka when Perera was going nuts!!!
Australia lost 2-1 in a series of 3 close games against a very good Indian one day team. They were missing their two best batsmen and their three best bowlers. I don't know why anything different would be expected.
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@hydro11 because 1 Perrera innings of about an hour does nothing to explain the Australian ODI team team stinking up the joint since Feb 2017
They lost 4-1 at home last summer and took a game off SA and India making that 4-2, so they managed 1 win per series on home conditions for 2 summers (3wins from 11at home). They got hammered everywhere overseas AND on some days they had their best bowlers and batsmen.
For a country with all that cricket IP and advanced cricketing institutions, the winning history ; the last 2 years performances are more than just Davey having a brain explosion with sandpaper.
But sure, there's nothing unexpected in Australian cricket performances on home soil that can't be explained by noting 2 innings by a Sri Lankan in a losing game in another country
Australian cricket has never seen any value in a "close" loss
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@Nevorian said in Aussie Cricket:
@booboo what no Geoffrey Boycott on that list
Is that the "houshold name commentators who never played test match cricket" list?
Not sure Boycott qualifies ...
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