All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Kafe has completely lost the plot with article, he's just doubling down on stupid. He's whining in one section that Read should be penalised for an action and then in the very next arguing that DHP shouldn't be. Bonkers.
"Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction."
I find it odd that the Aussies can watch that footage, yet not see DHP change his line and then push Savea.
it's not complicated nepia - either it's a try to australia or it's a penalty to australia for obstruction - if the rules are applied consistently in whichever direction.
i reckon it's a shit call, but it obviously doesn't matter much in the context of a flogging, and i would have forgotten about it by now if there weren't so many people on here doing their impersonation of kafer from our side.Oh right so it's a shit call, because Aus shouldn't have got a try due to a previous infringement. Way to go with that logical reasoning. So if we're going to cater to this new thing of whataboutery, what infringements occurred before that? Or are we only counting back to the "penalty" for Aus?
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For those claiming DHP was just "running a support line" - that's a really strange support line he was trying to run, directly behind Speight. "I'm here for a random overhead pass if you need me mate!".
Watching the video it looks like DHP is impeded, and as a result is not in a position to receive the pass from Speight if required. So he reacts by impeding Savea to ensure he cannot make the tackle. So penalty to Aus, followed by penalty to the ABs... blow it up and come back for the penalty to Aus as advantage ends when they commit an offense. Or just ignore both offenses and allow play to continue. 50/50, often the ref will allow play to continue, but if a try is scored then they do tend to scrutinise every play in the lead up. It's the nature of the TMO.
I don't mind the debate on whether it should be a try or not, rugby has plenty of grey areas that can spark some pretty interesting debates.
But this talk of the decision "changing the course of the match" and "denying Aus the chance of victory" is horseshit in a 6 tries to 1 mauling. Rightly or wrongly deflecting blame is a definite tactic of Cheika's and he's remarkably good at it! A future in the EPL awaits...
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@LagerLout said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Just to add to this, but the Aussies have always performed best when they've had intelligent & astute coaches. Dwyer, McQueen and cough Jones spring to mind. I don't know what other coaches are out there but one who focuses on their own issues would be great start!
Ah... in part, yes. But look at the teams those coaches had. Jones wasn't a coach, he was more of a manager, and he just let what was a very good crop of players do what they do best. Dwyer had a very similar group, but probably added a bit more in terms of teamwork.
Macqueen was probably the best of them in terms of bringing something new and staying ahead of the curve, basically going professional before everyone else knew what it looked like.
But again: Eales leading a hardworking forward pack including (at times) Kearns, Smith, Cockbain, Kefu, and several players well above average. Bolt on a backline of Gregan, Larkham, Horan, Little, Roff, Tune, Burke. Not only handy players but went up against what was probably a slightly disorganised NZRFU (and everyone else) at the time.
@booboo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
shouldn't the TMO check replays anyway regardless of the homeground producer? TMO sees something it's checked regardless of conversion timing. Just hold the restart until TMO has checked?
If that was to become standard procedure, it starts to look like the NRL.
Someone mentioned an NRL bunker-style review setup. I've heard nothing but bad things about it. Haven't seen it in operation (because NRL).
@Gary said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Then Owen allowed Phipps to put the ball into the second row to try and get the game moving.
Owens allowed sideways feeds from the start on both sides. TJP wasn't even standing straight at the feed - looked like he wanted Phipps to give him a bit of the ol' truncheon! -
@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Kafe has completely lost the plot with article, he's just doubling down on stupid. He's whining in one section that Read should be penalised for an action and then in the very next arguing that DHP shouldn't be. Bonkers.
"Shoulder on shoulder, behind the ball, it’s not obstruction."
I find it odd that the Aussies can watch that footage, yet not see DHP change his line and then push Savea.
it's not complicated nepia - either it's a try to australia or it's a penalty to australia for obstruction - if the rules are applied consistently in whichever direction.
i reckon it's a shit call, but it obviously doesn't matter much in the context of a flogging, and i would have forgotten about it by now if there weren't so many people on here doing their impersonation of kafer from our side.I thought you were just taking the piss of Kafer until I read your discussion with Bones.
I wouldn't have had an issue if it was a penalty to Australia, but Kafer wants the obstruction on DHP to be penalisable while at the same timenot wanting the obstruction by DHP to be penalisable. That doesn't fit your "wanting consistency" at all.
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speaking of scrums, I haven't checked back for the discussion, but holy shit what was with the non-hooking scrums there for a patch of the game!
I understand there is all sorts of pressure going on in there, but um, I wonder why a hooker is called a hooker
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Anyone would think you fluffybunnies had lost...
Maybe it's why we win ...
Because two dozen misty-eyed old Kiwis (and Queenslanders like yourself and @mariner4life ) spend a few hours a week on a forum declaring your unrequited man-love for one player over another?
Yeah... look. I'm sure Shag and the other coaches have a roster for taking detailed notes about your actions...
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
speaking of scrums, I haven't checked back for the discussion, but holy shit what was with the non-hooking scrums there for a patch of the game!
I understand there is all sorts of pressure going on in there, but um, I wonder why a hooker is called a hooker
I think the first two were penalties, then everyone sorted their shit out, and the locks pretty much cancelled each other out.
The scrum before the non-try went on for like 12 seconds after the ball was put in.
Great to watch.
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don't think they were penalties, was in the first half just inside the Aussie half, the ball was just sitting in the channel until the scrum collapsed, Todd hooked it back one time, 2 of the 3 times it ended up at the back of our side, I think this happened 3 times before Gold 9 threw it under the 2nd rows feet so we could get on with shit...was when there was a decent Mexican wave.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
speaking of scrums, I haven't checked back for the discussion, but holy shit what was with the non-hooking scrums there for a patch of the game!
I understand there is all sorts of pressure going on in there, but um, I wonder why a hooker is called a hooker
It's another way of scrumming, the Argies have done it for years. Look to put pressure on and walk over the ball.
I loved the scrum battle, and dont think we dominated as much as some have said, Also think Ownes reffed them really well. As mentioned above Perenara was much worse than Phipps at putting the ball in not straight
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I meant the first two scrums in the game. Sio got pinged at the first one and then I think Franks at the second?
both looked like correct calls to me too, Franks looked bemused as hell. But his penalty was exactly what Sio got done for repeatedly in the England series earlier this year
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The NZ Herald has a video of Foley clearly missing the first conversion that was awarded. I thought he had missed it when I watched it live.This test match just continues to spring up controversies.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/video.cfm?c_id=1503577&gal_cid=1503577&gallery_id=166902
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I guess you have to trust the AR's who were standing right there, and I would expect a few ABs woulda been watching it too.
Musta been tough conditions out there for kicking though....
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Nah that missed
I am off to write an article about how the protocol for conversions needs to change.OUTRAGED!!!
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback or do away with conversions altogether, that would actually suit us with the way BB has been kicking anyway!
