All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I was sitting right on that sideline and Savea had 20 metres or so to catch him, he was almost up to him when he got bumped. Both disallowed tries could have gone either way but I was OK with both decisions but it could have easily gone the other way
Was going to be a very close race. The replay only has a couple of steps before DHP got involved, so its hard to judge who was gaining or losing ground. I'd back Speight's pace from there, or an offload to DHP.
But he wasn't given the chance
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I think we should be a little bit fair here and hold off on Nick until he finally gives up pestering the missus for a Sunday morning wake up prod and sulks off to the computer.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
But he wasn't given the chance
Maybe he could have taken the chance instead of waving his arms at the ref? A bit hypocritical given he'd just had a go at obstructing DHP in the first place.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@rotated 6 of the 8 minutes? Really? I wasn't writing down a blow by blow.
He spent some of the time saying how fantastically the ABs were performing, and how the Wallabies had to own their own mistakes, as them talked about the no-try incident. Seems that he'd have trouble squeezing all that info two minutes, while letting Moore speak as well
Difficult to believe he means that stuff when he spends so much time on the contradictory stuff.
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@Stockcar86 said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
That is shit from the Herald. Really shit. Moore had every right to be pissed off.
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Jeez the gloating on here is worse than @Canes4life after a hurricanes win.
In my opinion it was a shit call, if it happened against my team I'd be pretty angry.
Our forwards got taught a lesson for the first 50, those 2 young Aussie locks have a lot of potential.
Pity we don't play England this year, they'd really test us there. Ireland in Dublin could be tough.
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Jeez the gloating on here is worse than @Canes4life after a hurricanes win.
In my opinion it was a shit call, if it happened against my team I'd be pretty angry.
Our forwards got taught a lesson for the first 50, those 2 young Aussie locks have a lot of potential.
Pity we don't play England this year, they'd really test us there. Ireland in Dublin could be tough.
I'd be angry too, angry at the dipshit player who stupidly took out a defender.
Gloating? What are you on about? Take the piss out of an Aussie coach carrying on like a goose, and Aussie commentators carrying on like gooses is hardly gloating.
Happy to have the 18 in a row, hell yeah.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Jeez the gloating on here is worse than @Canes4life after a hurricanes win.
In my opinion it was a shit call, if it happened against my team I'd be pretty angry.
Our forwards got taught a lesson for the first 50, those 2 young Aussie locks have a lot of potential.
Pity we don't play England this year, they'd really test us there. Ireland in Dublin could be tough.
I'd be angry too, angry at the dipshit player who stupidly took out a defender.
Gloating? What are you on about? Take the piss out of an Aussie coach carrying on like a goose, and Aussie commentators carrying on like gooses is hardly gloating.
Happy to have the 18 in a row, hell yeah.
It reads like gloating to me.
I've seen McCaw run that exact type of line so many times in support and never get called. I think it was wrong.
But yeah, suck shit chieka, @NTA and anyone else Australian (I'm not gloating)
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Managed to score tickets to the top of the Southern stand right on halfway, awesome having a view like that as you can see just how well organised the ABs are off the ball. They are a very slick outfit indeed.
The opening try from the ABs was incredible, the speed at which they used the ball was a thing of beauty and pretty much impossible to defend. When you have numbers 1 - 5 able to catch and pass at pace like that then the movement never slows down. The Wallabies had some good moments with the ball but nothing they did came close to matching that - when the ABs put it together there's no team in the world that can go with them.
The 2nd try was an extremely poor read by the Wallabies 11. Going for an intercept on your own line is fraught with danger.
After that inititial burst the Wallabies managed to compose themselves and played some really good footy for the next 40 minutes, controlling possesion and territory well and not allowing the ABs to play the way they wanted. The no-try was an important moment in the match, and while the correct call was made I do have a bit of a problem with it being done via the producer playing it over and over on the big screen until it gets called back. WR seem unwilling to address it. If that's in Aussie then they could easily just delay the replay until Foley has kicked it. Doesn't seem right to me.
Once it was disallowed you could see Hooper (to his credit) trying his best to lift and fire up the team, and they did continue to play pretty well until the ABs scored the breakout try via B Smith and Savea.
Savea's 2nd try was pretty special. There's fuck all people who can score tries like that - gets the ball, two defenders have him well covered, then bang bang and he's in. He also wasn't "annonymous" in the first 60 - he was defending for most of it as we had 30% possession, pretty hard to make a mark as a winger when you don't have the ball. I'm getting a little tired of the Savea detractors, he has been the standout winger in TRC/Bledisloe but that's still not enough apparently. He can do things other players can't which is why he's such a weapon.
Great way to cap off an incredible home season. We gave Wales, SA, Aus and Arg a hiding in every single match we played. That shit is unpresidented and unlikely to happen again, so make sure you savour every moment.
@NTA you'd think our media would be gushing but most of it is too busy trying to tar the ABs name by publishing clickbait articles about a supposed "bad culture" in NZ Rugby that must be "fixed" because, ahh, Aaron Smith had sex or something. NZ media is fucking pathetic.
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Jeez the gloating on here is worse than @Canes4life after a hurricanes win.
In my opinion it was a shit call, if it happened against my team I'd be pretty angry.
Our forwards got taught a lesson for the first 50, those 2 young Aussie locks have a lot of potential.
Pity we don't play England this year, they'd really test us there. Ireland in Dublin could be tough.
I'd be angry too, angry at the dipshit player who stupidly took out a defender.
Gloating? What are you on about? Take the piss out of an Aussie coach carrying on like a goose, and Aussie commentators carrying on like gooses is hardly gloating.
Happy to have the 18 in a row, hell yeah.
It reads like gloating to me.
I've seen McCaw run that exact type of line so many times in support and never get called. I think it was wrong.
But yeah, suck shit chieka, @NTA and anyone else Australian (I'm not gloating)
So what if McCaw has done it in the past. The law has been posted in this thread. Watch that video below and tell me how what DHP did didn't contravene 10.1(c).
Quite simply if DHP hadn't of changed his line to push Savea then none of this happens - but he did.
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@westcoastie said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Check the ~52:36 mark of actual game time, 18:40 on the YouTube clip and watch Retallick cop an elbow to the head from Dean Mumm...
We thought he was knocked out at the bar, and wondered if he'd copped a whack then...
Hmmm...
We Kiwis gave to get better at the trial by social media video thing.
Quck tweet Brett Gospar...
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Difficult to believe he means that stuff when he spends so much time on the contradictory stuff.
Yeah. Probably be easier for everyone concerned if he just spent the whole presser blowing the ABs.
No doubt the clown / respect comments were shit. Bringing up the media behaviour when you're the coach is beyond weird. I certainly don't understand it.
Does that change his ability to analyse where our performance is poor? Or where the ABs were good?
No. Unless you dismiss every opinion he has just because you don't like a few things he says. Baron would have some kind of Latin term for that i suppose? Ad hominem, is it?
He actually mentioned that stuff in the press conference, but they were swept away in the haste to point and laugh at Aussies.* To go find clippings from equally questionable Australian media in a massive outbreak of whataboutery.
- If you doubt this point, go watch the pressers back to back in order - Kiwi media were LOVING it. Probably bored of thinking up new ways to write about a thirty point win.
No doubt, had an AB coach brought up our shit media work, after a loss, several Aussies would also be frothing about it.
Leaving aside the recent press conferences, the assumption seems to be that Cheika should act like Hansen and never get visibly emotional about anything. Because if that is working for the ABs, it'll work for everyone else?
That's great for Shag - he is that kind of guy. His only challenge is how to keep improving a team that is on the bleeding edge of constant improvement.
Though he probably could walk into a press conference wearing a stuffed gerbil on his head, singing tunes from Pirates of Penzance and it wouldn't change the fact that his team is winning.
Cheika isn't that guy, because he doesn't have those circumstances and doesn't have that personality type. Neither are a bunch of other coaches. So it's all well and good to say "suck it up and take your beatings like a man" but when your last beating was 19 games ago, that is a pretty easy statement to make.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Jeez the gloating on here is worse than @Canes4life after a hurricanes win.
In my opinion it was a shit call, if it happened against my team I'd be pretty angry.
Our forwards got taught a lesson for the first 50, those 2 young Aussie locks have a lot of potential.
Pity we don't play England this year, they'd really test us there. Ireland in Dublin could be tough.
I'd be angry too, angry at the dipshit player who stupidly took out a defender.
Gloating? What are you on about? Take the piss out of an Aussie coach carrying on like a goose, and Aussie commentators carrying on like gooses is hardly gloating.
Happy to have the 18 in a row, hell yeah.
It reads like gloating to me.
I've seen McCaw run that exact type of line so many times in support and never get called. I think it was wrong.
But yeah, suck shit chieka, @NTA and anyone else Australian (I'm not gloating)
So what if McCaw has done it in the past. The law has been posted in this thread. Watch that video below and tell me how what DHP did didn't contravene 10.1(c).
Quite simply if DHP hadn't of changed his line to push Savea then none of this happens - but he did.
Seriously? My point is it's never been refereed that way in any game I've seen before. I'd love you to point out a similar decision in another game?
Surely consistency in refereeing decisions is important.
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@SammyC just because something hasnt (or might not have happened identically) happened before, doesnt mean it isnt a breach of a rule.
I woulda been pissed if we had had that ruled against us too, but doesnt make the call any less correct, as shit as it was.
HOw often do we see a penalty for man in front of the kicker, well away from play, and as such not going to have any impact but ref still blows it....dumb rule, but still correct.
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Jeez the gloating on here is worse than @Canes4life after a hurricanes win.
In my opinion it was a shit call, if it happened against my team I'd be pretty angry.
Our forwards got taught a lesson for the first 50, those 2 young Aussie locks have a lot of potential.
Pity we don't play England this year, they'd really test us there. Ireland in Dublin could be tough.
I'd be angry too, angry at the dipshit player who stupidly took out a defender.
Gloating? What are you on about? Take the piss out of an Aussie coach carrying on like a goose, and Aussie commentators carrying on like gooses is hardly gloating.
Happy to have the 18 in a row, hell yeah.
It reads like gloating to me.
I've seen McCaw run that exact type of line so many times in support and never get called. I think it was wrong.
But yeah, suck shit chieka, @NTA and anyone else Australian (I'm not gloating)
So what if McCaw has done it in the past. The law has been posted in this thread. Watch that video below and tell me how what DHP did didn't contravene 10.1(c).
Quite simply if DHP hadn't of changed his line to push Savea then none of this happens - but he did.
Seriously? My point is it's never been refereed that way in any game I've seen before. I'd love you to point out a similar decision in another game?
Surely consistency in refereeing decisions is important.
Hahaha, I don't have a database memory of all reffing decisions, at any rate, it happened while a try is being scored, it's more likely decisions are reviewed when a try is scored.
You're basically saying you're happy for players to be obstructed off the ball as long as they're behind the ball carrier.
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Jeez the gloating on here is worse than @Canes4life after a hurricanes win.
In my opinion it was a shit call, if it happened against my team I'd be pretty angry.
Our forwards got taught a lesson for the first 50, those 2 young Aussie locks have a lot of potential.
Pity we don't play England this year, they'd really test us there. Ireland in Dublin could be tough.
I'd be angry too, angry at the dipshit player who stupidly took out a defender.
Gloating? What are you on about? Take the piss out of an Aussie coach carrying on like a goose, and Aussie commentators carrying on like gooses is hardly gloating.
Happy to have the 18 in a row, hell yeah.
It reads like gloating to me.
I've seen McCaw run that exact type of line so many times in support and never get called. I think it was wrong.
But yeah, suck shit chieka, @NTA and anyone else Australian (I'm not gloating)
Seriously? Gloating? Pointing out why you think a decision is correct and that the coach's behaviour is out of line is hardly gloating.
I also don't see a lot a scatter gun derision directed at Strayans in general.
I think you have a touch of the Marshalls in trying to be over fair.
FWIW I think in fact @NTA has generally been reasonable fair minded and evdn handed. Generally.
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Jeez the gloating on here is worse than @Canes4life after a hurricanes win.
In my opinion it was a shit call, if it happened against my team I'd be pretty angry.
Our forwards got taught a lesson for the first 50, those 2 young Aussie locks have a lot of potential.
Pity we don't play England this year, they'd really test us there. Ireland in Dublin could be tough.
I'd be angry too, angry at the dipshit player who stupidly took out a defender.
Gloating? What are you on about? Take the piss out of an Aussie coach carrying on like a goose, and Aussie commentators carrying on like gooses is hardly gloating.
Happy to have the 18 in a row, hell yeah.
It reads like gloating to me.
I've seen McCaw run that exact type of line so many times in support and never get called. I think it was wrong.
But yeah, suck shit chieka, @NTA and anyone else Australian (I'm not gloating)
So what if McCaw has done it in the past. The law has been posted in this thread. Watch that video below and tell me how what DHP did didn't contravene 10.1(c).
Quite simply if DHP hadn't of changed his line to push Savea then none of this happens - but he did.
Seriously? My point is it's never been refereed that way in any game I've seen before. I'd love you to point out a similar decision in another game?
Surely consistency in refereeing decisions is important.
There have been a few instances I can remember. I can even recall a support runner being pinged simply for changing his supporting line to get in between his ball carrier and covering defenders. As someone else pointed out the law covering this does not mention obstruction in front of the ball at all, it just mentions obstruction. You cannot deliberately block a defending tackler. Clever line running will almost always get away with doing so, but when you stick an armour, shove or jersey pull then you are putting your faith in the ref.
When that ref is an idiot like Veldsman, well..... -
Having finished reading the thread a couple of things:
Isn't it great to have something to fight and whinge about on TSF thst isnt the US Election?
Was hugely impressed with Aus. Like their two locks. Expect they will be major pains in our backsides in years to come.
For the first time in a long time I was concerned when we kicked the ball to them just inside their half. Last couple of games you could be content that they'd not be able to build much. Last night they seemed to be able to make ground a build pressure. And yes, if DHP hadnt been an idiot at potentially 15-17 there were real concerns.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Just watching the Cheika presser. I have so far only had your guy's comment to judge by. The actual vision is so so much worse!! 😨
So the All Blacks put the cartoon in the paper and the All Blacks planted the bug story.
He's not a clown he's a comedian.
