All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Jeez the gloating on here is worse than @Canes4life after a hurricanes win.
In my opinion it was a shit call, if it happened against my team I'd be pretty angry.
Our forwards got taught a lesson for the first 50, those 2 young Aussie locks have a lot of potential.
Pity we don't play England this year, they'd really test us there. Ireland in Dublin could be tough.
I'd be angry too, angry at the dipshit player who stupidly took out a defender.
Gloating? What are you on about? Take the piss out of an Aussie coach carrying on like a goose, and Aussie commentators carrying on like gooses is hardly gloating.
Happy to have the 18 in a row, hell yeah.
It reads like gloating to me.
I've seen McCaw run that exact type of line so many times in support and never get called. I think it was wrong.
But yeah, suck shit chieka, @NTA and anyone else Australian (I'm not gloating)
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Managed to score tickets to the top of the Southern stand right on halfway, awesome having a view like that as you can see just how well organised the ABs are off the ball. They are a very slick outfit indeed.
The opening try from the ABs was incredible, the speed at which they used the ball was a thing of beauty and pretty much impossible to defend. When you have numbers 1 - 5 able to catch and pass at pace like that then the movement never slows down. The Wallabies had some good moments with the ball but nothing they did came close to matching that - when the ABs put it together there's no team in the world that can go with them.
The 2nd try was an extremely poor read by the Wallabies 11. Going for an intercept on your own line is fraught with danger.
After that inititial burst the Wallabies managed to compose themselves and played some really good footy for the next 40 minutes, controlling possesion and territory well and not allowing the ABs to play the way they wanted. The no-try was an important moment in the match, and while the correct call was made I do have a bit of a problem with it being done via the producer playing it over and over on the big screen until it gets called back. WR seem unwilling to address it. If that's in Aussie then they could easily just delay the replay until Foley has kicked it. Doesn't seem right to me.
Once it was disallowed you could see Hooper (to his credit) trying his best to lift and fire up the team, and they did continue to play pretty well until the ABs scored the breakout try via B Smith and Savea.
Savea's 2nd try was pretty special. There's fuck all people who can score tries like that - gets the ball, two defenders have him well covered, then bang bang and he's in. He also wasn't "annonymous" in the first 60 - he was defending for most of it as we had 30% possession, pretty hard to make a mark as a winger when you don't have the ball. I'm getting a little tired of the Savea detractors, he has been the standout winger in TRC/Bledisloe but that's still not enough apparently. He can do things other players can't which is why he's such a weapon.
Great way to cap off an incredible home season. We gave Wales, SA, Aus and Arg a hiding in every single match we played. That shit is unpresidented and unlikely to happen again, so make sure you savour every moment.
@NTA you'd think our media would be gushing but most of it is too busy trying to tar the ABs name by publishing clickbait articles about a supposed "bad culture" in NZ Rugby that must be "fixed" because, ahh, Aaron Smith had sex or something. NZ media is fucking pathetic.
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Jeez the gloating on here is worse than @Canes4life after a hurricanes win.
In my opinion it was a shit call, if it happened against my team I'd be pretty angry.
Our forwards got taught a lesson for the first 50, those 2 young Aussie locks have a lot of potential.
Pity we don't play England this year, they'd really test us there. Ireland in Dublin could be tough.
I'd be angry too, angry at the dipshit player who stupidly took out a defender.
Gloating? What are you on about? Take the piss out of an Aussie coach carrying on like a goose, and Aussie commentators carrying on like gooses is hardly gloating.
Happy to have the 18 in a row, hell yeah.
It reads like gloating to me.
I've seen McCaw run that exact type of line so many times in support and never get called. I think it was wrong.
But yeah, suck shit chieka, @NTA and anyone else Australian (I'm not gloating)
So what if McCaw has done it in the past. The law has been posted in this thread. Watch that video below and tell me how what DHP did didn't contravene 10.1(c).
Quite simply if DHP hadn't of changed his line to push Savea then none of this happens - but he did.
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@westcoastie said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Check the ~52:36 mark of actual game time, 18:40 on the YouTube clip and watch Retallick cop an elbow to the head from Dean Mumm...
We thought he was knocked out at the bar, and wondered if he'd copped a whack then...
Hmmm...
We Kiwis gave to get better at the trial by social media video thing.
Quck tweet Brett Gospar...
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Difficult to believe he means that stuff when he spends so much time on the contradictory stuff.
Yeah. Probably be easier for everyone concerned if he just spent the whole presser blowing the ABs.
No doubt the clown / respect comments were shit. Bringing up the media behaviour when you're the coach is beyond weird. I certainly don't understand it.
Does that change his ability to analyse where our performance is poor? Or where the ABs were good?
No. Unless you dismiss every opinion he has just because you don't like a few things he says. Baron would have some kind of Latin term for that i suppose? Ad hominem, is it?
He actually mentioned that stuff in the press conference, but they were swept away in the haste to point and laugh at Aussies.* To go find clippings from equally questionable Australian media in a massive outbreak of whataboutery.
- If you doubt this point, go watch the pressers back to back in order - Kiwi media were LOVING it. Probably bored of thinking up new ways to write about a thirty point win.
No doubt, had an AB coach brought up our shit media work, after a loss, several Aussies would also be frothing about it.
Leaving aside the recent press conferences, the assumption seems to be that Cheika should act like Hansen and never get visibly emotional about anything. Because if that is working for the ABs, it'll work for everyone else?
That's great for Shag - he is that kind of guy. His only challenge is how to keep improving a team that is on the bleeding edge of constant improvement.
Though he probably could walk into a press conference wearing a stuffed gerbil on his head, singing tunes from Pirates of Penzance and it wouldn't change the fact that his team is winning.
Cheika isn't that guy, because he doesn't have those circumstances and doesn't have that personality type. Neither are a bunch of other coaches. So it's all well and good to say "suck it up and take your beatings like a man" but when your last beating was 19 games ago, that is a pretty easy statement to make.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Jeez the gloating on here is worse than @Canes4life after a hurricanes win.
In my opinion it was a shit call, if it happened against my team I'd be pretty angry.
Our forwards got taught a lesson for the first 50, those 2 young Aussie locks have a lot of potential.
Pity we don't play England this year, they'd really test us there. Ireland in Dublin could be tough.
I'd be angry too, angry at the dipshit player who stupidly took out a defender.
Gloating? What are you on about? Take the piss out of an Aussie coach carrying on like a goose, and Aussie commentators carrying on like gooses is hardly gloating.
Happy to have the 18 in a row, hell yeah.
It reads like gloating to me.
I've seen McCaw run that exact type of line so many times in support and never get called. I think it was wrong.
But yeah, suck shit chieka, @NTA and anyone else Australian (I'm not gloating)
So what if McCaw has done it in the past. The law has been posted in this thread. Watch that video below and tell me how what DHP did didn't contravene 10.1(c).
Quite simply if DHP hadn't of changed his line to push Savea then none of this happens - but he did.
Seriously? My point is it's never been refereed that way in any game I've seen before. I'd love you to point out a similar decision in another game?
Surely consistency in refereeing decisions is important.
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@SammyC just because something hasnt (or might not have happened identically) happened before, doesnt mean it isnt a breach of a rule.
I woulda been pissed if we had had that ruled against us too, but doesnt make the call any less correct, as shit as it was.
HOw often do we see a penalty for man in front of the kicker, well away from play, and as such not going to have any impact but ref still blows it....dumb rule, but still correct.
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Jeez the gloating on here is worse than @Canes4life after a hurricanes win.
In my opinion it was a shit call, if it happened against my team I'd be pretty angry.
Our forwards got taught a lesson for the first 50, those 2 young Aussie locks have a lot of potential.
Pity we don't play England this year, they'd really test us there. Ireland in Dublin could be tough.
I'd be angry too, angry at the dipshit player who stupidly took out a defender.
Gloating? What are you on about? Take the piss out of an Aussie coach carrying on like a goose, and Aussie commentators carrying on like gooses is hardly gloating.
Happy to have the 18 in a row, hell yeah.
It reads like gloating to me.
I've seen McCaw run that exact type of line so many times in support and never get called. I think it was wrong.
But yeah, suck shit chieka, @NTA and anyone else Australian (I'm not gloating)
So what if McCaw has done it in the past. The law has been posted in this thread. Watch that video below and tell me how what DHP did didn't contravene 10.1(c).
Quite simply if DHP hadn't of changed his line to push Savea then none of this happens - but he did.
Seriously? My point is it's never been refereed that way in any game I've seen before. I'd love you to point out a similar decision in another game?
Surely consistency in refereeing decisions is important.
Hahaha, I don't have a database memory of all reffing decisions, at any rate, it happened while a try is being scored, it's more likely decisions are reviewed when a try is scored.
You're basically saying you're happy for players to be obstructed off the ball as long as they're behind the ball carrier.
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Jeez the gloating on here is worse than @Canes4life after a hurricanes win.
In my opinion it was a shit call, if it happened against my team I'd be pretty angry.
Our forwards got taught a lesson for the first 50, those 2 young Aussie locks have a lot of potential.
Pity we don't play England this year, they'd really test us there. Ireland in Dublin could be tough.
I'd be angry too, angry at the dipshit player who stupidly took out a defender.
Gloating? What are you on about? Take the piss out of an Aussie coach carrying on like a goose, and Aussie commentators carrying on like gooses is hardly gloating.
Happy to have the 18 in a row, hell yeah.
It reads like gloating to me.
I've seen McCaw run that exact type of line so many times in support and never get called. I think it was wrong.
But yeah, suck shit chieka, @NTA and anyone else Australian (I'm not gloating)
Seriously? Gloating? Pointing out why you think a decision is correct and that the coach's behaviour is out of line is hardly gloating.
I also don't see a lot a scatter gun derision directed at Strayans in general.
I think you have a touch of the Marshalls in trying to be over fair.
FWIW I think in fact @NTA has generally been reasonable fair minded and evdn handed. Generally.
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@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@SammyC said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Jeez the gloating on here is worse than @Canes4life after a hurricanes win.
In my opinion it was a shit call, if it happened against my team I'd be pretty angry.
Our forwards got taught a lesson for the first 50, those 2 young Aussie locks have a lot of potential.
Pity we don't play England this year, they'd really test us there. Ireland in Dublin could be tough.
I'd be angry too, angry at the dipshit player who stupidly took out a defender.
Gloating? What are you on about? Take the piss out of an Aussie coach carrying on like a goose, and Aussie commentators carrying on like gooses is hardly gloating.
Happy to have the 18 in a row, hell yeah.
It reads like gloating to me.
I've seen McCaw run that exact type of line so many times in support and never get called. I think it was wrong.
But yeah, suck shit chieka, @NTA and anyone else Australian (I'm not gloating)
So what if McCaw has done it in the past. The law has been posted in this thread. Watch that video below and tell me how what DHP did didn't contravene 10.1(c).
Quite simply if DHP hadn't of changed his line to push Savea then none of this happens - but he did.
Seriously? My point is it's never been refereed that way in any game I've seen before. I'd love you to point out a similar decision in another game?
Surely consistency in refereeing decisions is important.
There have been a few instances I can remember. I can even recall a support runner being pinged simply for changing his supporting line to get in between his ball carrier and covering defenders. As someone else pointed out the law covering this does not mention obstruction in front of the ball at all, it just mentions obstruction. You cannot deliberately block a defending tackler. Clever line running will almost always get away with doing so, but when you stick an armour, shove or jersey pull then you are putting your faith in the ref.
When that ref is an idiot like Veldsman, well..... -
Having finished reading the thread a couple of things:
Isn't it great to have something to fight and whinge about on TSF thst isnt the US Election?
Was hugely impressed with Aus. Like their two locks. Expect they will be major pains in our backsides in years to come.
For the first time in a long time I was concerned when we kicked the ball to them just inside their half. Last couple of games you could be content that they'd not be able to build much. Last night they seemed to be able to make ground a build pressure. And yes, if DHP hadnt been an idiot at potentially 15-17 there were real concerns.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Just watching the Cheika presser. I have so far only had your guy's comment to judge by. The actual vision is so so much worse!! 😨
So the All Blacks put the cartoon in the paper and the All Blacks planted the bug story.
He's not a clown he's a comedian.
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Disappointing decision by the ref, disallowing a try, but it becomes a moot point and irrelevant when you done by 20+ points. Perhaps a closer game you'd be justified in bringing it up. We just sound like poor losers. The booing though, pathetic, that needs to end. I'm sure the All Blacks players are cringing when they hear their supporters booing the opposition.
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Kafer lost his shit last night and said that Owens should never ref an international game ever again. I hope he apologizes. Kafer has always been one of the better coms on Fox but that was disgraceful.
Cheika is just an appalling character. His pathetic tantrums and conspiracy theories belong in soccer not rugby. It's a shame because this team does have potential and actually looked well coached yesterday.
I haven't been much of a fan of Liam Squire, but I have to say that he's given me a bit if a stiffy in the past few weeks.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@booboo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Just watching the Cheika presser. I have so far only had your guy's comment to judge by. The actual vision is so so much worse!! 😨
So the All Blacks put the cartoon in the paper and the All Blacks planted the bug story.
He's not a clown he's a comedian.
That was just a bit weird - why did they blame the ABs for that? They had the frikkin media who wrote that in front of them, they should have taken that opportunity.
Cheika actually says some reasonable stuff when he just talks about what happens in the game and doesn't go off book.
Is he their Mitchell?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Kafer lost his shit last night and said that Owens should never ref an international game ever again. I hope he apologizes. Kafer has always been one of the better coms on Fox but that was disgraceful.
Cheika is just an appalling character. His pathetic tantrums and conspiracy theories belong in soccer not rugby. It's a shame because this team does have potential and actually looked well coached yesterday.
I haven't been much of a fan of Liam Squire, but I have to say that he's given me a bit if a stiffy in the past few weeks.
I'm (we're?) getting a bit tired of Cheika having these dummy spits every time the ref makes a call he doesn't agree with. OK the disallowed try, you'd forgive him for losing the plot, but he does it every time something doesn't go the Wallabies way. He did it throughout the Wallabies/Eng series, very tiresome.
re Owens, great ref, he made a mistake, it didn't cost us the game. It could be argued that perhaps if the try wasn't disallowed then the shape of the game would have changed, but after we leaked 20+ points at the end, I don't really see it.
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@zed said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Kafer lost his shit last night and said that Owens should never ref an international game ever again. I hope he apologizes. Kafer has always been one of the better coms on Fox but that was disgraceful.
Cheika is just an appalling character. His pathetic tantrums and conspiracy theories belong in soccer not rugby. It's a shame because this team does have potential and actually looked well coached yesterday.
I haven't been much of a fan of Liam Squire, but I have to say that he's given me a bit if a stiffy in the past few weeks.
I'm (we're?) getting a bit tired of Cheika having these dummy spits every time the ref makes a call he doesn't agree with. OK the disallowed try, you'd forgive him for losing the plot, but he does it every time something doesn't go the Wallabies way. He did it throughout the Wallabies/Eng series, very tiresome.
re Owens, great ref, he made a mistake, it didn't cost us the game. It could be argued that perhaps if the try wasn't disallowed then the shape of the game would have changed, but after we leaked 20+ points at the end, I don't really see it.
Why did you think he made a mistake? He referred what he thought was illegal play to the TMO. The TMO reviewed the footage and they found that DHP illegally obstructed Savea - which he did.
What mistake did Owen's make?
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Just quickly.....
Todd was very good. Better than I gave him credit for.
The way through us is running angles back at the ruck on a flat ball.
Kafer said on air that Owens should never be allowed to ref again. Ok you lost your shit for a second but thats not on at all.
IMO there was only a slight chance Savea would have got Speight but there was an opportunity and he was denied it.
Savea is going to eclipse Doug Howletts record at the 55 test mark I reckon.
