All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Also what was up with a phase close to the end of the match where Ardie was standing at second receiver and he didn't even try to catch the pass from Cruden and just stood there? He then made this half hearted attempt with his hands. Again I wasn't listening to commentary, but it was weird and play did go on.
Ardie was still thinking about his awesome turnover just before. Just didn't look to be concentrating.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I'm not sure if that was a sarcastic comment or not.
It wasn't.
That non-try had a bigger effect on the Wobs than it needed to because afterwards many of them acted just like the example their coach sets. Too busy wanting to blame anyone other than themselves.
Bullshit, Crucial.
We defended the period afterwards probably better than we did for large stretches of that game.
Try was disallowed in the 47th minute, when we were controlling the game - score was 15-10 after we kicked a penalty just after halftime.
We continued control of possession and territory for the next 8 minutes until a breakaway try from deep inside your own territory to Savea (22-10). Then it was another ten minutes before you got in range to take a shot at goal to take it to 25-10.
That was the 65 minute mark. Tries at 69 and 73 minutes sealed it.
Don't revise history based on completely unrelated events.
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The no try: I watched this game with an American mate whose been getting into the game lately, he's a big (US) Football fan and when that idiot Oz winger took Savea out he actually said that he thought that was one of the rules of rugby, that you couldn't block.
FFS, maybe it was harsh on the Aussies but the fact is he interfered with a defender without the ball. It doesn't matter that the defender was behind the player (the cry baby Oz commentators* seem to think you can take anyone out behind the player) you still can't interfere with them. I don't know why anyone would try and claim it's ok to do that to a defender. It was stupid play by Hallet-Petty, Cheika should man up and lay the blame on his player who did a stupid thing.
*Kafer - you used to be the best analyst going around, now you've just turned it to a facsimilie of the crybaby whinger Kearns.
Savea - What to do with Fatty? Do we start him so he can spend 50-60 minutes bumbling around like a keystone cop and then go beast mode for 20-30 minutes? Or do we just chuck him on at 60 minutes and hope the bumbling isn't compulsory? That's the most schizophrenic game of rugby by a player I've seen.
Kaino - As Mokey noted, why take him off? He was in full beast mode on defence and was turning over the ball in tackles regularly. (Not saying Squire didn't go well).
Todd - That was a better game than I've ever thought I'd see him play. Lacks Cane's consistent stinging defence but put in a couple of good hits in the second half and had an all round strong game.
Not a classic win, but hey the ABs ran in 6 tries. That's a bonus point win while only in third gear.
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I'm not sure if that was a sarcastic comment or not.
It wasn't.
That non-try had a bigger effect on the Wobs than it needed to because afterwards many of them acted just like the example their coach sets. Too busy wanting to blame anyone other than themselves.
Bullshit, Crucial.
We defended the period afterwards probably better than we did for large stretches of that game.
Try was disallowed in the 47th minute, when we were controlling the game - score was 15-10 after we kicked a penalty just after halftime.
We continued control of possession and territory for the next 8 minutes until a breakaway try from deep inside your own territory to Savea (22-10). Then it was another ten minutes before you got in range to take a shot at goal to take it to 25-10.
Don't revise history based on completely unrelated events.
I'm not talking about the minutes directly afterward, I'm talking about the effect when the game was taken away from them. They looked to almost give up. I think it may have been just after that penalty the restart was kicked to our 22 and not a single yellow chaser was to be seen anywhere near it.
You can't tell me the Wallabies have their players anywhere near as mentally prepared as the ABs. If they did then Cheika is undermining their mental skills training. I just don't think they even go there though, not when you look at the surly whinging captain and the coach with his ridiculous OTT expressions during the game.Look, defend Cheika all you like, the real history is written already. Worse than Dingo Deans.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
.Cruden always tries to get a bit too clever off the bench. Always a dumb chip kick or two.
The chip kicks weren't dumb, just poorly executed. Chip kicks get a lot of grief because they stand out like dogs balls when not on the money. They may not be a high percentage play but then neither are the no look out the back passes that create space when caught and shifted fast to make tries.
IIRC that first kick of Crudens was into masses of space but took an unlucky bounce. It could well have had the Wallabies throwing into a defensive line out.
Don't forgot also that we don't know his instructions. He may have been told to put the ball into the spaces behind the line. -
Thought the Wallabies played a game which might have got them home another night. Playing big 12 and 8 and running Folau in close caused the ABs problems and Folau in particular exposed some defensive frailties in Crotty. Further, playing a fairly small 12 and 13 and not being able to challenge the gain line with power definitely reduces the space out wide, which means shovelling the ball out there is much less effective. Wallabies ought to kick on well in Europe. Plenty of work ons for AB (and Irish!) coaches.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
The no try: I watched this game with an American mate whose been getting into the game lately, he's a big (US) Football fan and when that idiot Oz winger took Savea out he actually said that he thought that was one of the rules of rugby, that you couldn't block.
FFS, maybe it was harsh on the Aussies but the fact is he interfered with a defender without the ball. It doesn't matter that the defender was behind the player (the cry baby Oz commentators* seem to think you can take anyone out behind the player) you still can't interfere with them. I don't know why anyone would try and claim it's ok to do that to a defender. It was stupid play by Hallet-Petty, Cheika should man up and lay the blame on his player who did a stupid thing.
*Kafer - you used to be the best analyst going around, now you've just turned it to a facsimilie of the crybaby whinger Kearns.
.... .I understand the Laws of Rugby state:
"10.1 (c) Blocking the tackler. A player must not intentionally move or stand in a position that prevents an opponent from tackling a ball carrier."
This YouTube video features the disallowed try and a head on view shows Haylett-Petty moved in a manner which offends 10.1 (c).
The words don't speak about the tackler's prospects of making the tackle, whether he is too far behind to catch up or anything else, other than "intentionally move or stand".
PS. I see Foley walked back to take the kick and past Referee Owens, who explained he was looking at something further to do with the try. Foley throws his head back and says what sounds like "Oh fire-truck", which highlights a problem with the Qantas Harmless Wallabies. Owens had communicated politely and informatively and did not warrant that response.
They have no regard or respect for the authority of the referee, which is at the very least stupid, stupid, stupid. It's not as if they are the lords of the manor, strutting triumphantly, who can treat the hired help with disdain.
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I was sitting behind the posts last night and what was noticeable was the speed and width the abs play with whereas the Aussies weren't as quick and certainly didn't look to get it as wide as us.
But man the Aussies were struggling with the pace last night too, the last 10 minutes or so they looked so down on energy (granted that far down on the scoreboard) and you doubt adrenalin would keep you in front if you were.
Also, as @Crucial mentioned above, was looking directly at Mumms face as he is tearing away thinking he was gonna score and you see Coles just roar in at such pace it I thought it was Ben Smith initially.
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@Crucial said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I'm not talking about the minutes directly afterward, I'm talking about the effect when the game was taken away from them. They looked to almost give up.
That was us, it was a similar situation to the Boks. The Aussies were right in the thick of the game and in ten minutes we took the game away from them. That was a look of resignation
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I can honestly say, I've never seen a better handling side in the history of Rugby than this team Hansen has put together. The skills on display in the final try were just incredible, almost unbelievable.
They played very well I thought at the end of a long season, however when they come to face a team who does the basics well, and I'm afraid the Aussies are far too inconsistent at the moment, it will be a lot closer.
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@canefan said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@ACT-Crusader dunno if you saw it on tv but we saw it from the stand
I'm pretty sure on TV a few phases before Saveas Jonah-esque try - actually before Coles try off Saveas run, fuck knows where this incident was cause I'm looking back through highlights and can't find it anyway, Retallick carts the ball up, then nek minnit he's flat out on the ground - at the Bar we missed entirely what may have happened, did he cop a punch or?
I was waiting for play to break down and Owens to go back and check for foul play, but then we scored.
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@antipodean Agree but consistency is the key and stamina? What a drop off in performance or deviation from the game plan or the ABs were just clinical in jumping on mistakes.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
The no try: I watched this game with an American mate whose been getting into the game lately, he's a big (US) Football fan and when that idiot Oz winger took Savea out he actually said that he thought that was one of the rules of rugby, that you couldn't block.
FFS, maybe it was harsh on the Aussies but the fact is he interfered with a defender without the ball. It doesn't matter that the defender was behind the player (the cry baby Oz commentators* seem to think you can take anyone out behind the player) you still can't interfere with them. I don't know why anyone would try and claim it's ok to do that to a defender. It was stupid play by Hallet-Petty, Cheika should man up and lay the blame on his player who did a stupid thing.
*Kafer - you used to be the best analyst going around, now you've just turned it to a facsimilie of the crybaby whinger Kearns.
Savea - What to do with Fatty? Do we start him so he can spend 50-60 minutes bumbling around like a keystone cop and then go beast mode for 20-30 minutes? Or do we just chuck him on at 60 minutes and hope the bumbling isn't compulsory? That's the most schizophrenic game of rugby by a player I've seen.
Kaino - As Mokey noted, why take him off? He was in full beast mode on defence and was turning over the ball in tackles regularly. (Not saying Squire didn't go well).
Todd - That was a better game than I've ever thought I'd see him play. Lacks Cane's consistent stinging defence but put in a couple of good hits in the second half and had an all round strong game.
Not a classic win, but hey the ABs ran in 6 tries. That's a bonus point win while only in third gear.
Couldn't we just run Savea through a pre-grame warm-up like half a beep test and a series of handling drills, like guys just throwing balls at him for 20min. Let him play the first half in beast mode - then sub him...
He'll score two tries and skittle a bunch of defenders, game will be over, bring on Cruden, shift Barrett and then we'll smash them for pace.#winnersaregrinners
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I think our forward pack needs to bring more physicality. Iaone for the EOYT and lets put PT in that reserve pack and start blooding him. They were dominated for 50 minutes and that just can not happen. Had that try been awarded to Oz it may have been different. I think Speight was gone. It was just stupid of Petty to run the line he did. He didn't have to and it was an obvious deviation. While Todd did some good stuff he does not have the physical presence close to Cane and remember he was run through by the Aussie lock who scored. I think there were too many people creaming themselves about his performance. Our reserve props added more physicality than the starters. They stopped momentum instead of tackling and been carried back 5 to 10 yards. With TJP there was a bit of a delay in the pass. He was not shit though and with the bad you get the intangibles and the charge down an example. Plus he was doing plenty of tackling that the forwards were not.
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@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
PS. I see Foley walked back to take the kick and past Referee Owens, who explained he was looking at something further to do with the try. Foley throws his head back and says what sounds like "Oh fire-truck", which highlights a problem with the Qantas Harmless Wallabies. Owens had communicated politely and informatively and did not warrant that response.
They have no regard or respect for the authority of the referee, which is at the very least stupid, stupid, stupid. It's not as if they are the lords of the manor, strutting triumphantly, who can treat the hired help with disdain.
This is the kind of thing I'm talking about that rubs off from the coach.
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@booboo said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
@Winger said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
Hansen's a fool.
And that would be because ... ?
He can't spell his own name?
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Wallabies at Eden Park.:
I think our forward pack needs to bring more physicality. Iaone for the EOYT and lets put PT in that reserve pack and start blooding him. They were dominated for 50 minutes and that just can not happen. Had that try been awarded to Oz it may have been different. I think Speight was gone. It was just stupid of Petty to run the line he did. He didn't have to and it was an obvious deviation. While Todd did some good stuff he does not have the physical presence close to Cane and remember he was run through by the Aussie lock who scored. I think there were too many people creaming themselves about his performance. Our reserve props added more physicality than the starters. They stopped momentum instead of tackling and been carried back 5 to 10 yards. With TJP there was a bit of a delay in the pass. He was not shit though and with the bad you get the intangibles and the charge down an example. Plus he was doing plenty of tackling that the forwards were not.
Yes! to the Props being awesome
Without TJP in that first half, we would've been only up 10-7, and maybe down more, because he was into everything.
I think I almost prefer TJP if the game is going to be combative like that. I'm not sure Aaron Smith is the automatic walk-up start anymore. TJP combo with BB important too.
