Aussie Pro Rugby
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@voodoo NZ doesn't look much better to me, clubs going belly up, abysmal crowds in stands, i think some of us look at +60k people turning up to an AB's game and think all is fine....what we need to +20k every week for all teams in the super rugby
Why, when you can watch it from home and not get gouged for food and drinks at a ridiculous nonfamily friendly time?
I guess the question is how do the AFL and NRL still get plenty of numbers turning up.
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@chimoaus yeah, how do they get tens of thousands of fans buying memberships? thats got to be how you become more financially stable, frontloading your income and giving you money...just for the rights to buy tickets before other people and some special merch
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@chimoaus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@voodoo NZ doesn't look much better to me, clubs going belly up, abysmal crowds in stands, i think some of us look at +60k people turning up to an AB's game and think all is fine....what we need to +20k every week for all teams in the super rugby
Why, when you can watch it from home and not get gouged for food and drinks at a ridiculous nonfamily friendly time?
I guess the question is how do the AFL and NRL still get plenty of numbers turning up.
Atmosphere that doesn't rely on some shit DJ ?
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@chimoaus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@voodoo NZ doesn't look much better to me, clubs going belly up, abysmal crowds in stands, i think some of us look at +60k people turning up to an AB's game and think all is fine....what we need to +20k every week for all teams in the super rugby
Why, when you can watch it from home and not get gouged for food and drinks at a ridiculous nonfamily friendly time?
I guess the question is how do the AFL and NRL still get plenty of numbers turning up.
Atmosphere that doesn't rely on some shit DJ ?
What are you talking about ?
Hearing “Why does love do this to me?” for the sixty millionth time is as awesome as the first time I heard it.
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@MN5 said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@chimoaus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@voodoo NZ doesn't look much better to me, clubs going belly up, abysmal crowds in stands, i think some of us look at +60k people turning up to an AB's game and think all is fine....what we need to +20k every week for all teams in the super rugby
Why, when you can watch it from home and not get gouged for food and drinks at a ridiculous nonfamily friendly time?
I guess the question is how do the AFL and NRL still get plenty of numbers turning up.
Atmosphere that doesn't rely on some shit DJ ?
What are you talking about ?
Hearing “Why does love do this to me?” for the sixty millionth time is as awesome as the first time I heard it.
Not all DJs are that good
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in Aussie Rugby:
@Chris said in Aussie Rugby:
Where does Australia go from here,This is going to hurt the game massively in Australia.
We need them to be better, really we are playing a tier 2 nation with a top team ranked 10th now as our main playing partner,With weak SR teams and a eroding player base.This could bring us down even more.
We need to get the Argies back in and grow the Japanese relationship quick smart.
Is Fiji our main rival in the pacific out side of SA .-
Get over yourselves
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Get over yourselves
what do you mean by this?
Tier 2 Nation?
Us? -
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@MiketheSnow said in Aussie Rugby:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in Aussie Rugby:
@Chris said in Aussie Rugby:
Where does Australia go from here,This is going to hurt the game massively in Australia.
We need them to be better, really we are playing a tier 2 nation with a top team ranked 10th now as our main playing partner,With weak SR teams and a eroding player base.This could bring us down even more.
We need to get the Argies back in and grow the Japanese relationship quick smart.
Is Fiji our main rival in the pacific out side of SA .-
Get over yourselves
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Get over yourselves
what do you mean by this?
Tier 2 Nation?
Us?I read it as Aus being Tier 2, not Wales.
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Yep I was talking about Australia.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
how do they get tens of thousands of fans buying memberships?
tribalism.
Long held attachments to teams. Families supporting, with kids and grandkids. Teams for life.
Hint: thye don't call them franchises. They don't transfer unions to other franchises. They keep branding and names the same forever. They care about their fans. Hell - they usually have a club you can physically turn up to!
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@mariner4life
Cheers for posting this.
In the big picture this is bad, it's exposed all parts of Australian rugby, management, structure, player depth.
I'm worried they will close shop and go internal and ditch Super Rugby.
Can they bounce back like England did in 4 years?NZR have there own issues which they need to confront over the next few months, if we both dont get sorted, coupled with this could lead to a collapse in SH rugby.
I worry that we are going to let overseas players be available for selection, while I'd love the top players available for the ABs, I also want a strong domestic comp to go watch each week. -
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@MiketheSnow said in Aussie Rugby:
@Chris said in Aussie Rugby:
Where does Australia go from here,This is going to hurt the game massively in Australia.
We need them to be better, really we are playing a tier 2 nation with a top team ranked 10th now as our main playing partner,With weak SR teams and a eroding player base.This could bring us down even more.
We need to get the Argies back in and grow the Japanese relationship quick smart.
Is Fiji our main rival in the pacific out side of SA .-
Get over yourselves
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Get over yourselves
I kind of understand what Mike is saying here.
Look Wallabies lost to a much better team yesterday, and so some of us are worrying about how it effects us as kiwi rugby men. It's not really fair is it.
Other thing I will say, and mainly to @NTA and Aus mates, see although it a disappointing result, it was that , a disappointing result, the sun still came up this morning, and so it's not too bad. I know and have said Aus rugby has problems, but they aren't just because a good Welsh team deservedy beat them yesterday, the problems are no worse today than they were last month or day before yesterday. -
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@Dan54 said in Aussie Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in Aussie Rugby:
@Chris said in Aussie Rugby:
Where does Australia go from here,This is going to hurt the game massively in Australia.
We need them to be better, really we are playing a tier 2 nation with a top team ranked 10th now as our main playing partner,With weak SR teams and a eroding player base.This could bring us down even more.
We need to get the Argies back in and grow the Japanese relationship quick smart.
Is Fiji our main rival in the pacific out side of SA .-
Get over yourselves
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Get over yourselves
I kind of understand what Mike is saying here.
Look Wallabies lost to a much better team yesterday, and so some of us are worrying about how it effects us as kiwi rugby men. It's not really fair is it.
Other thing I will say, and mainly to @NTA and Aus mates, see although it a disappointing result, it was that , a disappointing result, the sun still came up this morning, and so it's not too bad. I know and have said Aus rugby has problems, but they aren't just because a good Welsh team deservedy beat them yesterday, the problems are no worse today than they were last month or day before yesterday.Quite right. Getting to the semi-finals of this World Cup would have been the equivalent of putting a sticking plaster over a gunshot wound.
There are some systematic issues in Australian Rugby that need to be working on, that have finally caught up with the Wallabies. I find the revisionism that if they had Rennie, Foley, Cooper, Hooper etc. all would have been well. Would they have beaten Fiji? Probably, but they probably still would have crashed out in the quarters to England, which only really feels better.
I feel Jones was looking longer-term, and decided that this group of players if all went right could have done something really special. The players not picked IMO, would not have had a material tournament to make them win it. They just don't have the overall squad of players at the moment. Those coming through do actually look promising, and could achieve something really special over the next four years, but to do that, some good decisions are going to be made in the next couple of months.
The fact that Jones is looking to Japan, to me says a lot about those above him. Why is he looking to jump ship, after effectively getting everything he could ever want? Hamish McLennan is clearly an absolute asshole, and a nuisance to work with. On a power trip. Is Jones perfect? No. But I still firmly believe, he is the man to turn things around for Australia, if they stick with him - on the proviso he wants to stay. I get the feeling though, that one of those two has to go. I'd stick with Jones, he is an Australian rugby legend, who you know will work his ass off to turn things around. He might be a bit of a cock in the media, but the journalists always fail to consider why he does it. He's taking the spotlight away from the young squad, it is the oldest trick in the book. As opposed to seeing articles slating the performances of Donaldson, Gordon, etc. you were reading about Eddie.
It isn't Eddie, Eddie, Eddie, it is distraction, distraction, distraction. I have immense respect for the man. If they appoint a decent C.E.O, and some sensible people around him/her to restructure their domestic game, be that chopping a Super side or two, reforming an NRC style comp, and let Eddie do his thing, I seriously think they could win that World Cup.
The alternative of sticking with McLennan, who is a money hungry bastard on a power trip, would take them further away from where they need to get to IMO. Who'd end up being the next coach? Brad Thorn? Is that really better than Eddie Jones?
It is entirely possible Jones has done his dash, but until the end, he did pretty well with England, and even then, they didn't improve after he left, only stepping it up at the World Cup, which history would suggest quite possibly would have happened with Eddie. With the Wallabies, he joined a sinking ship. Rennie was doing some things right, but if he did more right, they wouldn't have chopped him. They lost to Italy for heavens sake. Eddie took some risks to refloat it, but unfortunately for him, the ship sunk further.
An interesting few months ahead, which could be fatal for Australian Rugby, which would be bad news for NZR, or on the flipside, could be the start of a really special time for the Wallabies. I bloody hope it is the latter, because though we hate losing, wouldn't it be good if the Bledisloe Cup was actually a contest.
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@Dan54 said in Aussie Rugby:
@MiketheSnow said in Aussie Rugby:
@Chris said in Aussie Rugby:
Where does Australia go from here,This is going to hurt the game massively in Australia.
We need them to be better, really we are playing a tier 2 nation with a top team ranked 10th now as our main playing partner,With weak SR teams and a eroding player base.This could bring us down even more.
We need to get the Argies back in and grow the Japanese relationship quick smart.
Is Fiji our main rival in the pacific out side of SA .-
Get over yourselves
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Get over yourselves
I kind of understand what Mike is saying here.
Look Wallabies lost to a much better team yesterday, and so some of us are worrying about how it effects us as kiwi rugby men. It's not really fair is it.
Other thing I will say, and mainly to @NTA and Aus mates, see although it a disappointing result, it was that , a disappointing result, the sun still came up this morning, and so it's not too bad. I know and have said Aus rugby has problems, but they aren't just because a good Welsh team deservedy beat them yesterday, the problems are no worse today than they were last month or day before yesterday.....isn't that kind of the point....they were looking pretty bad a month ago too...and now Wales (who some in the NH are saying are a basket case and currently only better than Italy in the 6N)...scored 40 points and kept them tryless....so it might be even worse than we thought
@nzzp said in Aussie Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
how do they get tens of thousands of fans buying memberships?
tribalism.
Long held attachments to teams. Families supporting, with kids and grandkids. Teams for life.
Hint: thye don't call them franchises. They don't transfer unions to other franchises. They keep branding and names the same forever. They care about their fans. Hell - they usually have a club you can physically turn up to!
yeah, was kind of a rhetorical question as its pretty clear some of the big differences...just the rugby administrators seem to not see it or not care
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@game_film said in Aussie Rugby:
After seeing the Brownlow result, at least the Wallabies didn’t have the worst Aussie performance this week
just like yesterday morning, the right team won!
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So the Wallabies were generally shit until the 80s and after more than 3 decades of growth and competitiveness they're just returning to the natural order. Nah that's nonsense. Union in Australia used to be an amateur snobs game played in the private schools. NZers would be incredulous about how women wore dressed up in their jewellery to watch a game at Ballymore. It isn't 1972 anymore. League had its back broken by Super League and Union was handed the opportunity of a lifetime. I remember Arthur Beetson lamenting about how kids were now turning to union in traditional League areas. But they fůcked it up. Through sheer hubris, arrogance and greed those same same types of private school gatekeepers who did their best to keep people away from the game in the past have done it again.
Blind then and blind now. Never changes.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@chimoaus said in Aussie Rugby:
@antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@voodoo NZ doesn't look much better to me, clubs going belly up, abysmal crowds in stands, i think some of us look at +60k people turning up to an AB's game and think all is fine....what we need to +20k every week for all teams in the super rugby
Why, when you can watch it from home and not get gouged for food and drinks at a ridiculous nonfamily friendly time?
I guess the question is how do the AFL and NRL still get plenty of numbers turning up.
Atmosphere that doesn't rely on some shit DJ ?
Well, the worst shit DJ I have ever experienced in my life was at the Warriors v Penrith prelim final, so it appears the NRL gets the numbers in spite of the shit DJs.
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Does anyone have access to the paywalled Financial Review article about Kim Jong McLellan? I read it via a mate, but was thinking it might be a perfect representation of Oz rugby that it has a substantive article in the AFR. (They may discuss the other Oz sports frequently though, I don't know as I don't normally read it).
Anyway, I didn't know he was also Chair of a News Limited owned company. Seems to be a bit of a conflict of interest that the Chair of an organisation with a broadcast deal with Stan/9 is also Chair of a company owned by their competitor.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Aussie Rugby:
So the Wallabies were generally shit until the 80s and after more than 3 decades of growth and competitiveness they're just returning to the natural order. Nah that's nonsense.
The natural order of letting opportunities slip because everything in your back yard is apples. That's Australian Rugby.
Hoiles is on social media and on Stan saying club rugby is pumping. He's fucking deluded and/or just looking at "club rugby" = "Randwick".
