All Blacks EOYT
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the ongoing discussion about the 3rd (but really 4th) hooker is pretty funny.
I am far more worried about the currently 2nd hooker. He looked great ball in hand on Saturday, but he's a ropey thrower, part of a front row that could not budge the japanese at scrum time, and it was his glaring miss that opened the hole for the first try. He's nowhere near test standard at the moment.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
the ongoing discussion about the 3rd (but really 4th) hooker is pretty funny.
I am far more worried about the currently 2nd hooker. He looked great ball in hand on Saturday, but he's a ropey thrower, part of a front row that could not budge the japanese at scrum time, and it was his glaring miss that opened the hole for the first try. He's nowhere near test standard at the moment.
Fair to say Taukeiaho's injury has caused all this mess about discussing who should be the 3rd/4th hooker and Aumua's very inconsistent form.
We really miss him.
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@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean And yet the selectors didn't pick him.
They picked Bell - who, I agree, had a pretty poor Super season.
I'm pretty sure the primary reason will be Ricky's size - with age relative to Bell a secondary issue.
I'm pretty sure the reason is they have a bias towards Crusaders players for the wider squads.
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@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Chris-B said in All Blacks EOYT:
@brodean And yet the selectors didn't pick him.
They picked Bell - who, I agree, had a pretty poor Super season.
I'm pretty sure the primary reason will be Ricky's size - with age relative to Bell a secondary issue.
I'm pretty sure the reason is they have a bias towards Crusaders players for the wider squads.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
the ongoing discussion about the 3rd (but really 4th) hooker is pretty funny.
I am far more worried about the currently 2nd hooker. He looked great ball in hand on Saturday, but he's a ropey thrower, part of a front row that could not budge the japanese at scrum time, and it was his glaring miss that opened the hole for the first try. He's nowhere near test standard at the moment.
Owen Franks was scrum coach for Japan? He might be one to keep an eye on.
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks EOYT:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
the ongoing discussion about the 3rd (but really 4th) hooker is pretty funny.
I am far more worried about the currently 2nd hooker. He looked great ball in hand on Saturday, but he's a ropey thrower, part of a front row that could not budge the japanese at scrum time, and it was his glaring miss that opened the hole for the first try. He's nowhere near test standard at the moment.
Fair to say Taukeiaho's injury has caused all this mess about discussing who should be the 3rd/4th hooker and Aumua's very inconsistent form.
We really miss him.
Yes and of further concern was that ST seemed to take steps back last year... and there is no guarantee that he even comes back the same player.
Bell should get there with time, he is still very young for an international hooker, but definitely a concern short-term.
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Samisoni was treated really shoddily by Foster. He was playing the absolute house down while Taylor was shitting the bed, and still couldn't get a decent run.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:
Samisoni was treated really shoddily by Foster. He was playing the absolute house down while Taylor was shitting the bed, and still couldn't get a decent run.
Taylor clearly wasn't in the right head-space to play at the time, so in reality he was treated poorly too in my opinion.Last year? My memory of last year, was Taylor being the comfortable best of a bad bunch. I think there was a bit of surprise when ST was named on the bench over Coles for the final?
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@frugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:
Samisoni was treated really shoddily by Foster. He was playing the absolute house down while Taylor was shitting the bed, and still couldn't get a decent run.
Taylor clearly wasn't in the right head-space to play at the time, so in reality he was treated poorly too in my opinion.Last year? My memory of last year, was Taylor being the comfortable best of a bad bunch. I think there was a bit of surprise when ST was named on the bench over Coles for the final?
Taylor came back strong, but for a while he was playing terribly - must have been the year before.
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Taylor was dire in 2022 but was in good form last year. Taukei'aho was also in good form last year but for whatever reason Foster preferred Taylor.
Taukei'aho started this season very slowly for the Chiefs was in excellent form by the end of Super - only for injury to end his year.
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Hope Samisoni can get back to 2022 form, he was exactly what we need.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks EOYT:
Taukei'aho was also in good form last year but for whatever reason Foster preferred Taylor.
Samisoni's 2023 form was nowhere near his 2022 form. Hopefully next year he can find his 2022 form.
That's only because he was never given a proper chance to get going. He was good in Super Rugby then only started two Tests for the All Blacks - against Australia and Namibia.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks EOYT:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks EOYT:
Taukei'aho was also in good form last year but for whatever reason Foster preferred Taylor.
Samisoni's 2023 form was nowhere near his 2022 form. Hopefully next year he can find his 2022 form.
That's only because he was never given a proper chance to get going. He was good in Super Rugby then only started two Tests for the All Blacks - against Australia and Namibia.
Yeah I think they were always keen to get Codie Taylor starting which they did at the end of 2022. In fairness, Taylor has come back strong after his form slump with the odd game here and there where he's had the yips throwing wise, but largely he's been very good in the last couple of years.
Taukeiaho didn't do anything wrong and was our best in 2022 by a fair way. I still don't mind him coming off the bench in the last 30 though and the rotation worked well I thought last year.
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Taylor's form this year has been really good. Would be very good for the ABs if ST comes back firing so CT can get subbed at about the 50 minute mark rather than after 70
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
Taylor's form this year has been really good. Would be very good for the ABs if ST comes back firing so CT can get subbed at about the 50 minute mark rather than after 70
As an Aumua fan it's bloody disappointing to see him still having the yips with his throwing, annoying because he has everything else required at test level. Unfortunately throwing is the bread and butter of a hooker so if he doesn't improve soon, he might be on the outer. If he can sort it though he will be a huge asset.
Definitely keen to see ST back in the frame though.
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
Taylor's form this year has been really good. Would be very good for the ABs if ST comes back firing so CT can get subbed at about the 50 minute mark rather than after 70
As an Aumua fan it's bloody disappointing to see him still having the yips with his throwing, annoying because he has everything else required at test level. Unfortunately throwing is the bread and butter of a hooker so if he doesn't improve soon, he might be on the outer. If he can sort it though he will be a huge asset.
Definitely keen to see ST back in the frame though.
It's his up and down form that's most puzzling/worrying. I'm sure he'd sorted his throwing for a decent period...was it last year?
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@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks EOYT:
Taylor's form this year has been really good. Would be very good for the ABs if ST comes back firing so CT can get subbed at about the 50 minute mark rather than after 70
As an Aumua fan it's bloody disappointing to see him still having the yips with his throwing, annoying because he has everything else required at test level. Unfortunately throwing is the bread and butter of a hooker so if he doesn't improve soon, he might be on the outer. If he can sort it though he will be a huge asset.
Definitely keen to see ST back in the frame though.
It's his up and down form that's most puzzling/worrying. I'm sure he'd sorted his throwing for a decent period...was it last year?
Yeah he was pretty solid for the Canes this year from memory. I think the issue for Aumua is getting more minutes under his belt, that's where we get to see the best of him. He was definitely better for the Canes as a starter VS coming off the bench behind Coles. But to get more mins he needs to improve his throwing, he can go long periods being really good and then periods where he's horrible. Definitely a work on for him.
