All Blacks EOYT
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@brodean said in All Blacks EOYT:
Sititi is an exciting talent but let's not forget that he struggled in the collisions against SA like he did in the Super Rugby final and in all those instances he was part of a losing team.
He's stood out against Australia, done OK against SA as the game developed, and failed big time against Argentina. He was a big part of that Argentina loss giving away 3 penalties in 20 minutes.
Sotutu is also a generational talent - arguably the most talented loose forward for creating tries in the last 10 years. Ultimately rugby is about scoring more tries.
Yip when I think of generational talents, the names McCaw Carter Lomu and Sotutu roll off the tongue.
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@Billy-Tell neither, BUT, I've also not been in the position to have to actually make that decision if someone was waving a big old cheque in front of me to do so.
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@Billy-Tell was it you that didn't watch super rugby?
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks EOYT:
@booboo said in All Blacks EOYT:
If true fuck off then, sooner rather than later if you'retaking up space for a promising young loosie who could be playing NPC, and don't let the door hit you on the arse.
I mean I guess if that's how we want to treat our most talented players then sure, let's just repeatedly snub them from selection for even the wider squad despite being the stand out performers at Super, then when they have the human reaction of being disappointed and so look at all their options, just tell them to fuck off. Then at the same time a great idea would be to select other loosies that are not up to the job, get outplayed every single week by every other loose forward trio, and even select players that spend more time injured than playing. This really sounds like a recipe for success, especially down in NZ where financially we are struggling to keep all our talent at home. Fucking genius stuff, really is, won't hurt the ABs at all, we've just been on fire this season.
Nah. Not convinced.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell was it you that didn't watch super rugby?
As already said I did t watch much super this year. I’m not hiding the fact. The guy is not a « generational talent ». I’ve watched plenty of sotutu in previous years super and for the ABs. It’s getting utterly boring and tedious his fan club. He’s not a superstar in the making even if he was unlucky to miss out on the ABs.
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@Billy-Tell I guess we should ditch Clarke too, he was pretty rubbish in previous years and this year's form clearly shouldn't count.
Jordan was basically invisible at fullback in previous years so he's out.
Beauden should be first five because he's world player of the year.
As for Ratima, why are we selecting a player who doesn't even exist?
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell neither, BUT, I've also not been in the position to have to actually make that decision if someone was waving a big old cheque in front of me to do so.
Yeah haha it's a bit different when in that situation and the fact that he is English.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.
That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.
Just ask my uncle Maxwell.
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@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.
That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.
Just ask my uncle Maxwell.
Born and raised in England perhaps? We are talking about a switch in allegiance here. If he had not already played for NZ then , yeah, go for it.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.
That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.
Just ask my uncle Maxwell.
Born and raised in England perhaps? We are talking about a switch in allegiance here. If he had not already played for NZ then , yeah, go for it.
I dunno about you but I'm pretty close to my parents and would love to do something that might represent either one of them and make them proud. Fuck I would've even considered playing for Otago and moving to Tairei.
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@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
an English parent is stretching things a bit given he has already played for NZ.
That seems pretty bizarre to me. What wouldn't be stretching it then? Some families have very strong ties to their ancestry that isn't even close to a one generation link.
Just ask my uncle Maxwell.
Born and raised in England perhaps? We are talking about a switch in allegiance here. If he had not already played for NZ then , yeah, go for it.
I dunno about you but I'm pretty close to my parents and would love to do something that might represent either one of them and make them proud. Fuck I would've even considered playing for Otago and moving to Tairei.
It's all hypothetical of course because it hasn't happened yet, but it's allowed so good on him. I just think a parent is a loose tie, given he has already represented the country of his birth and I am guessing he would have continued to do so if selected the past few years.
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@Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.
Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.
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@Billy-Tell I wasn't having a go bro, just checking. What he did in this Super season is worlds apart from what he's done previously, and stands up pretty well to any player's individual contribution to a season I would think.
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@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.
Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.
Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.
Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.
Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.
Rugby wanted the Olympics funding ,,, so they sacrificed their eligibility rules. That's not on Sotutu. It allows capped players to play for origin countries - like Tonga. On balance, I don't think it's a terrible situation
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@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.
Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.
Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.
Rugby wanted the Olympics funding ,,, so they sacrificed their eligibility rules. That's not on Sotutu. It allows capped players to play for origin countries - like Tonga. On balance, I don't think it's a terrible situation
Yeah I wouldn't blame him if it was to come about. I would probably think long and hard about doing the same if I was in his position.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@nzzp said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Bones said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Crazy-Horse like I said, a parent wouldn't be a loose tie for me, I'm pretty sure millions of others would share that view.
Samoa, Tonga, etc would drop well down the rugby rankings if that wasn't the case too.
Agree. But he already made his bed with NZ. That is my contention.
Rugby wanted the Olympics funding ,,, so they sacrificed their eligibility rules. That's not on Sotutu. It allows capped players to play for origin countries - like Tonga. On balance, I don't think it's a terrible situation
Yeah I wouldn't blame him if it was to come about. I would probably think long and hard about doing the same if I was in his position.
I suspect he did. Giving up your AB opportunity is something you would do very deliberately.
As a Blues fan, I'm gutted. We've lost two of the three dominant loosies in our trio, and I suspect our form hooker follows them.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks EOYT:
@Billy-Tell I wasn't having a go bro, just checking. What he did in this Super season is worlds apart from what he's done previously, and stands up pretty well to any player's individual contribution to a season I would think.
Agreed.
The Blues scored 87 tries this season. The most in the comp. Sotutu scored 12 tries ( a record for forwards ) and had 9 try assists which means he was directly involved in basically a quarter of the Blues tries for the entire season.
