All Blacks 2024
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@Victor-Meldrew Indeed - but I was looking for some leadership late in those SA games, and I wasn't seeing it at all. Headless chook stuff from experienced leadership group players, and SB not saying or doing much of anything. Same deal with the Argie loss.
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Discipline was a problem. There didn't seem to be a message to maintain our discipline and we gave away yellows.
We don't seem to adapt well with the yellows as well defensively or try and dominate possession.
Doesn't help that leaders like the Barrett's and Cane have a history of cards.
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@brodean Personally I think Cane gives away cards when he's fatigued - though that's just a feeling rather than any data on when his cards occur.
Barrett almost looks like a bit he's been playing a bit gun-shy to avoid cards himself.
But yeah, the team yellows are shit. Again I think fatigue plays a part with our poor use of the bench - though that doesn't excuse the otherwise excellent Caleb Clarke. -
I agree with all of that - except the last two cards Cane received for the AB's were in the first half so he shouldn't be fatigued. Maybe he was? ¯_(ツ)_/¯
An interesting write up here which includes some footage of some of Cane's missed tackles - though not the ones that lead directly to tries.
Will the withdrawal of the ‘top 20’ devalue France’s tour of New Zealand?
In resting Antoine Dupont and the rest of his 'premiums', has Fabien Galthie undermined a mouth-watering voyage?
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2024:
LSL is good scrummaging LH lock. Is Frost top dog of the local TH locks?
I think LSL actually has the mongrel to do both.
Frost is a big lad and important to securing scrum ball.
Williams has surprised me - he's not the biggest but he's very capable and handy around the park as well.
Potentially Skelton in the mix on EOYT as we toss up opening the borders in preparation for Lions 2025.
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@brodean Yeah I've read that. You could easily pick and choose moments from games this year to make Savea or any other AB pretty much look like a retard too, so I'm not a big fan of the cherry-picking game moments type of article.
A hard man and a legend for coming back from a broken neck - but Cane's well and truly done in my eyes, we can't have a tight forward playing in the AB 7 shirt, no matter how loose our 8 is.
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@NTA said in All Blacks 2024:
@pakman said in All Blacks 2024:
LSL is good scrummaging LH lock. Is Frost top dog of the local TH locks?
I think LSL actually has the mongrel to do both.
Frost is a big lad and important to securing scrum ball.
Williams has surprised me - he's not the biggest but he's very capable and handy around the park as well.
Potentially Skelton in the mix on EOYT as we toss up opening the borders in preparation for Lions 2025.
Agree on LSL.
Will keep an eye out on Frost.
Will/Nella is a helluva lot of beef!
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
@SBW1 Saw this today, Frizzel and Mounga are being chased.
Why are we chasing these proven failures?
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
@Victor-Meldrew and with the sub system available now players can get experience without compromising results.
By not scoring points in the final 20mins?
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Probably not the right thread, but I’m not sure where else to ask , I guess he is a potential future AB so it’s a bit related .
Has there been much interest in nz with Joey manu switching to rugby ? And the questions about what level he can go to , and what position he would play etc ?
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2024:
Probably not the right thread, but I’m not sure where else to ask , I guess he is a potential future AB so it’s a bit related .
Has there been much interest in nz with Joey manu switching to rugby ? And the questions about what level he can go to , and what position he would play etc ?
No, because he's gone to Japan and seemingly indicated he's going to switch right back to league if he can't get selected for the All Blacks out of Japan - which is never going to happen for a multitude of reasons.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2024:
Probably not the right thread, but I’m not sure where else to ask , I guess he is a potential future AB so it’s a bit related .
Has there been much interest in nz with Joey manu switching to rugby ? And the questions about what level he can go to , and what position he would play etc ?
No, because he's gone to Japan and seemingly indicated he's going to switch right back to league if he can't get selected for the All Blacks out of Japan - which is never going to happen for a multitude of reasons.
Ok , beaver on senz reckons after Japan he is going to the chiefs .
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2024:
Probably not the right thread, but I’m not sure where else to ask , I guess he is a potential future AB so it’s a bit related .
Has there been much interest in nz with Joey manu switching to rugby ? And the questions about what level he can go to , and what position he would play etc ?
No, because he's gone to Japan and seemingly indicated he's going to switch right back to league if he can't get selected for the All Blacks out of Japan - which is never going to happen for a multitude of reasons.
Ok , beaver on senz reckons after Japan he is going to the chiefs .
To be fair, I might be slightly misremembering what I've read.
But until he signs for an NZ team (or indicates he'd like to play in NZ), he's probably not going to be on many people's radars.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks 2024:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks 2024:
Probably not the right thread, but I’m not sure where else to ask , I guess he is a potential future AB so it’s a bit related .
Has there been much interest in nz with Joey manu switching to rugby ? And the questions about what level he can go to , and what position he would play etc ?
No, because he's gone to Japan and seemingly indicated he's going to switch right back to league if he can't get selected for the All Blacks out of Japan - which is never going to happen for a multitude of reasons.
Ok , beaver on senz reckons after Japan he is going to the chiefs .
I guess that means 2026?
Looking at the fixtures the start of the Japanese season is late Dec and the final is played at the begining of June
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks 2024:
I disagree on that because currently we have good depth in props and locks the most important positions in the team. We can take on anyone and have a good chance with the right headspace attitude.
Yea but also right the game plan.
If our tight is our strength at the moment, why are we still seeking to play a wide game that exposes our slow back row, “flaky” first five, “sub-par” centre pairing, and slow back three? Why are we not playing to the areas of strength in our team? Are we too proud to use our scrum to bludgeon the opposition and win territory and points? Or are we just deluding ourselves that we still have the best talent in the world across the park?
*By “we” I’m really referring to the coaching team
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Manu is on a 1 year deal. He wants to try for the AB’s so to do that he would need to be in NZ as the rules currently stand. He will be learning his craft around some of the best - Aaron Smith, Beauden Barrett, Ian Foster and Steve Hansen. Some pretty good guys to be rubbing shoulders with.
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phenomenal rugby league centre. Great running game, skillful offload game.
Obvious rugby league body height issues on both sides of the ball. Not a great passing game. Doesn't have high end pace.
Worst of all he's 28. That's very long in the tooth to be changing up and hoping to make test grade. Chances of him being anymore than a "lets see if we can make this work" AB squaddie are very very low.
