All Blacks 2024
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@junior Precisely. Shittest All Blacks cattle in living memory this year.
This is probably an important point, though not the point you are trying to make, when it comes to Razor. This is the first time he's coached a team that isn't absolutely fucking stacked compared to opposition teams in a long time, if ever. In fact he actually has to get this team beating other teams that, on paper, are stronger than his team. That's all new to him.
That’s not true.
When he first started out in super rugby, the crusaders weren’t stacked, they were full of players yet to make their mark. Mounga being a prime example and they had lost players such as McCaw,Carter.
He took over after the barren Todd Blackadder era didn't he?
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@junior Precisely. Shittest All Blacks cattle in living memory this year.
This is probably an important point, though not the point you are trying to make, when it comes to Razor. This is the first time he's coached a team that isn't absolutely fucking stacked compared to opposition teams in a long time, if ever. In fact he actually has to get this team beating other teams that, on paper, are stronger than his team. That's all new to him.
That’s not true.
When he first started out in super rugby, the crusaders weren’t stacked, they were full of players yet to make their mark. Mounga being a prime example and they had lost players such as McCaw,Carter.
He took over after the barren Todd Blackadder era didn't he?
Yes he did. They still had strong forwards but their backs were a mixed bag.
Expectations were low at the crusaders
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
The other option is to get a sacrificial lamb from one of the multitude of assistants to do a video critiquing the referees, assistants and TMOs we've had. Use that to whip up the lunatics on social media to threaten those referees, assistants and TMOs and their families. Having subjected them to vile abuse they'll subconsciously (?) favour us in an effort to not have to go through that experience again and we'll go back to dominating.
Pity Leon's already left.
Seems no one is a fan of the South African approach. So we're left with better selection, coaching, leadership and execution.
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@Landers92 highlighting that Chay not selected as a 12.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks 2024:
Going to be a long few years with these poor selections.
Curate's egg. Some selections have good - Ratima, Vaai, Sititi - while others have been meh. Not convinced by Blackadder and Reece for example.
Again - those in top form in super rugby Vs those with fuck all form in super rugby. I wasn't completely focussed on the second half in the weekend - what have I missed that people think Reece is so bad?
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks 2024:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@junior Precisely. Shittest All Blacks cattle in living memory this year.
This is probably an important point, though not the point you are trying to make, when it comes to Razor. This is the first time he's coached a team that isn't absolutely fucking stacked compared to opposition teams in a long time, if ever. In fact he actually has to get this team beating other teams that, on paper, are stronger than his team. That's all new to him.
That’s not true.
When he first started out in super rugby, the crusaders weren’t stacked, they were full of players yet to make their mark. Mounga being a prime example and they had lost players such as McCaw,Carter.
Not this fucking argument again. Those with international experience (test level) at that time bolded. Doesn't include MABs.
They could run out an AB forward pack, with their AB replacements on the bench in multiple positions, an AB midfield and FB, and at least 10 from the U20s (Strange, Drummy, Hall, Bateman, McKenzie, Mo'unga, Goodhue, Havili, Wainui, Bridge). It's a testament to their development that they got the right pieces at the right time.
Forwards: Michael Alaalatoa, Wyatt Crockett, Oliver Jager, Joe Moody, Tim Perry, Owen Franks, Ben Funnell, Andrew Makalio, Codie Taylor, Scott Barrett, Luke Romano, Quinten Strange, Sam Whitelock, Heiden Bedwell-Curtis, Jed Brown, Mitchell Dunshea, Kieran Read, Pete Samu, Jordan Taufua, Matt Todd.
Backs: Mitchell Drummond, Leon Fukofuka, Bryn Hall, Tim Bateman, Marty McKenzie, Richie Mo'unga, Ryan Crotty, Jack Goodhue, David Havili, Seta Tamanivalu, Sean Wainui, George Bridge, Israel Dagg, Sione Fifita, Mitchell Hunt, Digby Ioane, Jone Macilai, Manasa Mataele.
All of this is not to say that Razor didn't do well, but he did not have a team of fucking no names. He had the AB captain and most of the starting forward pack plus much of the emerging back talent stolen from around the country.
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Also, Todd Blackadder is remembered for grossly underachieving given the players and resources at his disposal.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
Also, Todd Blackadder is remembered for grossly underachieving given the players and resources at his disposal.
And he was robbed in 2014 and would have likely won it had they been able to play at home in the earthquake year.
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@pakman said in All Blacks 2024:
@Landers92 highlighting that Chay not selected as a 12.
Yes, we are so short of outside backs now Jordie is broken...
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
30 minutes into the most recent test we were looking totally dominant and everyone was going 'ah yeah we're destroying them (but it's just the wallabies)'. The first half in SA was the best rugby I've seen from us this year. Argentina loss 2nd half was the worst. So I don't think there is any sort of consistent deterioration in performance - though there are certainly problems that are recurring and have not yet been solved.
You could say exactly the same thing about the ABs two years ago so that's a bit revisionist. Dominant in the first half, crap in the second.- Twickenham 2022. The second 40 minutes of Argentina and last Saturday are some of the worst AB performances you'll see and it's happening more often.
If the current coaching setup was chosen so carefully and is so much better, why haven't we progressed? (And I'm not buying the loss of players argument. Vaai and Ratima have stepped into big shoes really well)
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@gt12 said in All Blacks 2024:
@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@junior Precisely. Shittest All Blacks cattle in living memory this year.
This is probably an important point, though not the point you are trying to make, when it comes to Razor. This is the first time he's coached a team that isn't absolutely fucking stacked compared to opposition teams in a long time, if ever. In fact he actually has to get this team beating other teams that, on paper, are stronger than his team. That's all new to him.
This shifting goalposts argument was expected.
For the last four years, it was a shitty coach.
Now it is shitty players.
Which is probably closer to the truth.
Should be looking at player development at senior levels rather than simply blaming/dumping all the problems at the head coaching door.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks 2024:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Wallabies I:
@junior Precisely. Shittest All Blacks cattle in living memory this year.
This is probably an important point, though not the point you are trying to make, when it comes to Razor. This is the first time he's coached a team that isn't absolutely fucking stacked compared to opposition teams in a long time, if ever. In fact he actually has to get this team beating other teams that, on paper, are stronger than his team. That's all new to him.
Not sure that was true for this game.
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/6036/sf-crusaders-good-v-blues-evil/28?page=2
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So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
Some will point to that. Poor Razor is in a no win situation. Win and it's the Professor. Lose and he hasn't solved our issues
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
Some will point to that. Poor Razor is in a no win situation. Win and it's the Professor. Lose and he hasn't solved our issues
Well, that’s certainly never happened to an AB coach before.
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
He is the high performance coach and mentor for the men’s and women’s coaches.
I highly doubt this would be his first involvement with those teams since his role started.
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@chchfanatic said in All Blacks 2024:
So if we comfortably beat the wallabies this week. Will it be because Wayne Smith has come to the rescue.
Beating Australia comfortably is what we should be doing regardless of who is there. They're hopeless.
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@canefan you sound like a very knowledgeable and level headed person.
How do you actually think they’re going?
Bar the Argentina result. Which was terrible. Argentina have since shown they’re actually decent.
Losing by 4 & 6 points in SA was better than I thought they’d do.
I think everyone looked at the score in Australia’s loss to Argentina and thought we’d destroy them in Sydney. I didn’t hear until after , that most of the Aussies had food poisoning.
