Formula 1
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@Machpants said in Formula 1:
So Liam Lawson finally going to get a go it seems.
Still rumours, but touch wood
Yep. Hate wanting anyone to do badly but hope all of the Red Bull and RB drivers shit the bed ( esp Riccardo but he’ll probably win the bloody thing and get a reprieve!).
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@Machpants Riccardo known for doing “shoeys”?
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@Machpants said in Formula 1:
Any twt that drinks out of a sweaty shoe does not deserve respect, IMO
Poor guy having to forgo your respect to have a little fun while earning millions doing a fucking cool job. I hope they don't tell him at the same time as they sack him.
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The pressure hes feeling from Norris currently might be getting to him. The whinge factor is increasing and he’s threatening to throw his toys out of the pram.
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@Catogrande said in Formula 1:
The pressure hes feeling from Norris currently might be getting to him. The whinge factor is increasing and he’s threatening to throw his toys out of the pram.
I'm actually with Max on this one. Which has me in the same camp as the other drivers.
The stewards are getting ahead of themselves here & trying to turn the drivers into robots. Thats not what anybody wants to watch. He said his car performance had been shit & then he gets told he needs to accomplish some work of public interest?
What does that even mean? People want to watch high energy, high octane, exciting racing. They want to see pissed off drivers trash something, want to hear controversial statements.
It's been a great season, but there has been a little bit of a feel of too much control by the overlords IMHO.
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Oh I agree that it is overreach by the stewards and is indicative of the way the sport is being pushed at the moment but that does not detract from (IMO) that Verstappen is A. Feeling the pressure and B. A whiny bitch.
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@Catogrande said in Formula 1:
The pressure hes feeling from Norris currently might be getting to him. The whinge factor is increasing and he’s threatening to throw his toys out of the pram.
My comments re Red Bull were merely because I want Lawson to get a drive, not really related to Max at all, more Riccardo really. If Perez goes too, it opens it all up a bit more (and then there's Max / Jos). Don't know what will happen with Yuki, not much probably.
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@Catogrande said in Formula 1:
The pressure hes feeling from Norris currently might be getting to him. The whinge factor is increasing and he’s threatening to throw his toys out of the pram.
My comments re Red Bull were merely because I want Lawson to get a drive, not really related to Max at all, more Riccardo really. If Perez goes too, it opens it all up a bit more (and then there's Max / Jos). Don't know what will happen with Yuki, not much probably.
I suppose Yuki brings money from Japan, just as Perez brings money from Mexico. It also made sense while RB are powered by Honda. When that changes, who knows?
They will either need to give Lawson a drive or let him go. Judging from Ricciardo's body language I think he's done. Off to Indycar next year
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@Catogrande said in Formula 1:
The pressure hes feeling from Norris currently might be getting to him. The whinge factor is increasing and he’s threatening to throw his toys out of the pram.
My comments re Red Bull were merely because I want Lawson to get a drive, not really related to Max at all, more Riccardo really. If Perez goes too, it opens it all up a bit more (and then there's Max / Jos). Don't know what will happen with Yuki, not much probably.
I suppose Yuki brings money from Japan, just as Perez brings money from Mexico. It also made sense while RB are powered by Honda. When that changes, who knows?
They will either need to give Lawson a drive or let him go. Judging from Ricciardo's body language I think he's done. Off to Indycar next year
Impossible not to feel sad for him as he seems a genuinely nice guy, but he's performing worse than Yuki.
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@antipodean I note he refrained from swearing and he's doing it a helluva lot tougher than Max...
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@antipodean Yeah, he's just not fast enough anymore, and I'm not sure his eye is even on F1.
I guess it comes down to being the smallest fish in a big pond, or the biggest fish in a smaller pond. He's got a hell of a personality and will make huge ripples as a marquee driver in a different competition.
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@canefan Hadn’t heard that Ricciardo was headed to Indycar. I had seen this:
“ Teams looking for a sponsorship boost will benefit from signing Ricciardo. The talent on the track may not be as highly tuned as it once was but his marketing capabilities are still up there with the best. That may be a crude way of looking at why Ricciardo isn’t done on the grid yet, but it is an unavoidable part of F1. Even now there are drivers on the grid who are there purely because of the revenue stream they can bring to teams.”
Which is what shits me about F1, it’s not necessarily the best drivers we get to see, as per the comments re Honda. Unfortunately Liam doesn’t bring any real cash with him that I am aware off. Money and sports are closely linked sadly.
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@canefan Hadn’t heard that Ricciardo was headed to Indycar. I had seen this:
“ Teams looking for a sponsorship boost will benefit from signing Ricciardo. The talent on the track may not be as highly tuned as it once was but his marketing capabilities are still up there with the best. That may be a crude way of looking at why Ricciardo isn’t done on the grid yet, but it is an unavoidable part of F1. Even now there are drivers on the grid who are there purely because of the revenue stream they can bring to teams.”
Which is what shits me about F1, it’s not necessarily the best drivers we get to see, as per the comments re Honda. Unfortunately Liam doesn’t bring any real cash with him that I am aware off. Money and sports are closely linked sadly.
which hints at the problems at red bull
checo = south america /mexico GP
tuki =honda
ricciardo= drive to surviveLawson=????????
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@canefan Hadn’t heard that Ricciardo was headed to Indycar. I had seen this:
“ Teams looking for a sponsorship boost will benefit from signing Ricciardo. The talent on the track may not be as highly tuned as it once was but his marketing capabilities are still up there with the best. That may be a crude way of looking at why Ricciardo isn’t done on the grid yet, but it is an unavoidable part of F1. Even now there are drivers on the grid who are there purely because of the revenue stream they can bring to teams.”
Which is what shits me about F1, it’s not necessarily the best drivers we get to see, as per the comments re Honda. Unfortunately Liam doesn’t bring any real cash with him that I am aware off. Money and sports are closely linked sadly.
Until I watched Drive to Survive I didn't realise how political it was. The best drivers don't get to drive, just the most commercial ones. I hadn't heard anything about DR going to Indycar. I was just surmising, if he loses his seat that Indycar would be one landing spot. I don't know how much drivers get paid there relative to F1, and how important it is for drivers to bring their own sponsorship?
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@canefan Hadn’t heard that Ricciardo was headed to Indycar. I had seen this:
“ Teams looking for a sponsorship boost will benefit from signing Ricciardo. The talent on the track may not be as highly tuned as it once was but his marketing capabilities are still up there with the best. That may be a crude way of looking at why Ricciardo isn’t done on the grid yet, but it is an unavoidable part of F1. Even now there are drivers on the grid who are there purely because of the revenue stream they can bring to teams.”
Which is what shits me about F1, it’s not necessarily the best drivers we get to see, as per the comments re Honda. Unfortunately Liam doesn’t bring any real cash with him that I am aware off. Money and sports are closely linked sadly.
Until I watched Drive to Survive I didn't realise how political it was. The best drivers don't get to drive, just the most commercial ones. I hadn't heard anything about DR going to Indycar. I was just surmising, if he loses his seat that Indycar would be one landing spot. I don't know how much drivers get paid there relative to F1, and how important it is for drivers to bring their own sponsorship?
I think we had this debate further up the chat.
Does F1 have the top 20 drivers in their seats? No, of course not.
Does F1 have the top 10 drivers in their seats? I'd argue yes.
Means if Lawson wants a seat, he needs to be in the top 10. I don't know enough about him to comment on that, but I do know that results show he was better than Riccardo.
Honestly, I think racing is probably like Golf, in that the top top drivers are all much of a much ness, with the mentality being the difference between the elite and the next tier.
When you have a sub standard driver in the seat (Sargent, I'm looking at you) it really sticks out.
